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The Iron Stars wrote:

Thanks for further reinforcing my points. Also quote my personal attacks please - All I have posted is obvious observations.

In the previous post of yours that we were discussing, the items that led to the post being suppressed were:

The Iron Stars wrote:

It does not require any significant amount to brainpower to realise I do not directly attribute any region for the loss of TNI's members

The Iron Stars wrote:

The ship sailed when the Founder proved herself to be uncooperative even when all the work and fiscal responsibility was taken out of her hands.

The Iron Stars wrote:

This is just a tantrum that someone is having because they cant see that the region deserves no further respect from the actions (or rather inactions) of its founder when the region was perfectly savable.

These comments all ranged outside acceptable bounds of what TNI wants on its regional message board.

The Iron Stars wrote:

Idle threats from an unelected WA delegate without executive power. My posts have been nothing but polite, well written and thought out. I have engaged in open discussion without resorting to threats or abuse and yet still get censored. Perhaps you should re-evaluate your own position as a member of this community and as WA representative if this is how you will treat your remaining active members.

At no point have I threatened any consequences for your actions. I only stated that you should re-evaluate how you approach posting on this regional message board and I made no mention of any consequences should you fail to follow my advice. If I was to raise doubts regarding your continued presence in this region, I would do so expressly.

You say that your "posts have been nothing but polite, well written and thought out", whereas I perceive them as uncivil and needlessly confrontational. People can of course read your posts and make up their own minds, bearing in mind of course that members of TNI's RMB community are likely to be biased towards your perspective as they have known you for longer than I.

The Iron Stars wrote:

The Founder closed that embassy not because of Nationstates politics but because she has a personal issue with the ideology. Not only that, she did it with no prior discussion or warning (after handing Dys a carte blanche on foreign policy matters) and refused to cooperate of further embassies or nation building, up to and including ignoring messages Dys sent to her. Not only that, but in the process of regional rebuilding it's a case of, to steal a phrase, "beggars cannot be choosers". A lot of NE members would have left anyway simply due to differing ideological differences, and many are just roleplaying. In our own regional roleplays we had genocides and pogroms far beyond the scope and scale of those commited by the Nazis (including the wholesale genocide and enslavement of an entire nation easily surpassing the Holocaust in population) and the founder didnt bat an eye.

The Founder was entirely right to reject Nazi Europa on ideological grounds. Opposing such regions is fundamental to the values TNI has held since its founding. The fact that we have acted against them in gameplay - by leading the invasion and re-founding of their region Nazi Europe - is a reflection of our opposition to them.

Better no active TNI than an active TNI which has an embassy with Nazi Europa - a TNI that betrays everything it was once stood for. Nazi Europa should not exist and it is unacceptable for any region to associate with them. That is the principle behind the Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism is based upon - an organisation which includes former allies of TNI such as Albion, Europeia, LKE, The West Pacific, Balder and Osiris. They continue the work that TNI's military undertook.

Your comparison between Nazi Europa and role-plays on this regional message board is ridiculous. There is a significant difference between creating fictional stories about terrible things and adopting the name and symbolism of a real-life genocidal regime, particularly Nazi Germany. The latter is considerably more likely to cause offence and distress.

Frankly, Dys and the other members of that government were very lucky that their attempt to re-build the region was not terminated the moment they sought an embassy with Nazi Europa. Terminating the embassy request and making clear that TNI would never have an embassy with such a region was the very least of the actions that the Founder could have legitimately taken.

The Iron Stars wrote:

If the founder "demonstrably" did this then why is it such a contentious issue that is still being argued. She refused to give Dys executive authority whereby she would have to do nothing except occasionally log in to prevent a CTE. Even then she could simply just give the account over (sidenote: without breaking NS TOS). The founder was irrefutably the issue which culminated ultimately in Dys' resignation and the creation of TEL as an area to organically regrow properly.

Transferring control of her account or granting Executive authority were not pre-requisites to facilitating their use of TNI as an RP community. As Helcarion argued above, it was entirely possible for TNI to be re-built without Executive authority, but he and Dys did not have the time to do so. The Founder appointed the Regional Officers requested by the regional Delegate and, without entering into any obligations, permitted them to carry on their role-play initiative (until they abandoned the region). A great many regional founders would have been far less generous about a group with no legal standing using their region in a way which was not originally intended.

In all frankness, members of the RP community should be thanking the Founder, rather than complaining that real-life constraints stopped her from doing more.

The Iron Stars wrote:

Not only this, but you're wrong on that too. The very last government gave the region over to the remaining players as seen in

Under the Constitution that was in place at the time, Chancellor Hochmeister had no legal authority to grant constitutional recognition to the on-site regional community. Such recognition would have required a constitutional amendment. The constitutional succession of TNI governments ended with the collapse of his administration and the off-site forums going completely inactive. Authority reverted back to the Founder who had originally set up the constitutional framework.

The Iron Stars wrote:

Your inferrence is not the text of the post. It clearly refers to an earlier post by me which I have already explained.

You were replying to a post by Gothlandia that referred to The Exalted Lands as a split between nations. You concluded your reply with the lines "As per my earlier post; this region has fell from 400 odd nations to a frankly absurd 40 odd. That's more than a faction split, even accounting for general nationstates decay." From the text of your post, it is a fair inference to assume that you are linking the creation with The Exalted Lands with the fall in the population from 400 to 40. If you are not doing so, then your case for characterising the creation of The Exalted Lands as something more than a factional split is considerably weakened.

The Iron Stars wrote:

Evidently not or there would be no RMB posts here at all. By your own logic, you are not to declare whether this region is in retirement either, that is for the founder. Judging by the fact that the founder is not happy with members being poached the region is obviously not in retirement or else she'd be happy for member states to move on. Passwording the region would simply prevent new nations from joining a graveyard, or "retired" region and would be common courtesy.

A region can be "retired" - i.e. the end of its working life - without the cessation of all activity and without it becoming acceptable to infringe on its sovereign rights by stealing its nations. TNI was and is a Gameplay political region first and foremost. The end of its participation in gameplay politics, for the time being, represents its "retirement. That does not mean other things cannot happen. Plenty of nations might want to continue reside or join a region which no longer has an active forum govenrment. Those nations should not be poached. A dignified retirement is entirely possible. This was denied to TNI by using it as an advertising platform for The Exalted Lands. Happily, this state of affairs has now been brought to a conclusion.

The Iron Stars wrote:

Just look at the RMB, man! What prospective nation would ever want to join a region who's WA delegate is suppressing any sort of free thought or constructive engagement?

Those remarks that are deemed unsuitable for this regional message board have been suppressed. This is not an act of censorship, as the comments themselves are still accessible with a click of the button. Rather, suppression should be understood simply as a stamp of regional disapproval.

NationStates Moderators wrote:

Dys, cut the nonsense. You will NOT be back to continue being a nuisance..... or WE will be back to make sure it doesn't happen.

To be perfectly clear, this refers to the spamming multi-lingual Whiskum copycat nations. All other intraregional politics may continue as usual.

As I said to Dys when he asked, the handing over of the very first nation I created in the game, still resident in the region I created on that same day was not going to be a thing. I have only ever shared access with people I really trust, a person I have met in rl who I have played along side for many years.

Not only did I crush the Nazi Europa embassy because TNI has always worked against such filth, but because TNI has a proud history of including and welcoming people of all kinds from lgbt people, people of many different ethnic and religious backgrounds and people with disabilities. Nazi ideaology goes against everything TNI stood for in our finest days and it is not something I was going to allow to be accepted even now. I personally don't give a crap if some of you think it's just cool to rp. it's not. end of story.

Thank you for your question. At present, there are no plans to hold elections, as I am not sure we have sufficient active members left. However, if there is demand for it, I would be happy to hold a poll among the region's WA nations for the selection of the WA Delegate. Their remit would be representing the region's views on World Assembly issues.

In the event that the Founder pursues the reconstruction plans mentioned, then I imagine there would certainly be elections for the government and legislature under whatever political system was adopted.