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That seems to be within realistic standards. So NS Stats are kinda good in terms of realism.

Nioya wrote:Hey guys. I want to describe the temperament of my people based off my stats. So they're supposed to be very nice, friendly, very religious, but also very intelligent and very compassionate. Do you think that's realistic?

Switzerland?

New banner! :3

Ayyyyy

Coetha wrote:Switzerland?

I didn't know Switzerland was religious

Scandinavian federated alliance

hello, fellow scandinavians

Ah, welcome to Scandinavia S.F.A

Scandinavian federated alliance

Svenska-Britannia wrote:Ah, welcome to Scandinavia S.F.A

glad to be here

By the way S.F.A, Im interested in potentially instating an Embassy to your nation so we can establish Diplomatic Relations.
@Scandinavian federated alliance

I want to ask this. A long time I got the book the Nordic theory of everything by anu partanen.

She has this unique take I never heard before. American conservatives think all social ills are really solved by the nuclear family model and says people just need to take responsibility and not rely on the state. She counters this in a unique way. She basically says "Yes, the family is good. Divorce is bad. Nordic people are bad with it. The majority of births are out of wedlock. That's bad. But modern relationships work differently. You can't expect everybody to just marry their highschool sweetheart and everything will work out. So you should expand the welfare state to help them."

Where exactly would that view fit on the Northern European political spectrum?

Nioya wrote:I want to ask this. A long time I got the book the Nordic theory of everything by anu partanen.

She has this unique take I never heard before. American conservatives think all social ills are really solved by the nuclear family model and says people just need to take responsibility and not rely on the state. She counters this in a unique way. She basically says "Yes, the family is good. Divorce is bad. Nordic people are bad with it. The majority of births are out of wedlock. That's bad. But modern relationships work differently. You can't expect everybody to just marry their highschool sweetheart and everything will work out. So you should expand the welfare state to help them."

Where exactly would that view fit on the Northern European political spectrum?

Sounds like a realist conservative point of view bound to historical considerations rather than the left/right polarization which dominates today's political spectrum. She probably deems the conservative ideal of nuclear family as suitable for vintage Western societies but at the same time acknowledges that you can't force the Nordics to embrace the traditional family again because it would require an impossible and anachronistic effort of social engineering. Since most social problems are groomed within problematic families (or the lack of one) a laissez faire attitude is not socially responsible. Having a welfare system as a safety net for problematic family environments is the logical next step in social history.

When you look back in history, stepfamilies/blended families/patchwork families are not new.

'the conservative ideal of nuclear family' may be an ideal for some people, which they like imagining. It's never been an accurate description of a broader social reality.

Two spouses who stay together all their lives have existed and exist. But what if a spouse died from illness, died from childbirth, died from a work accident, was killed by marauding warriors or robbers, went to war and was killed? It's hard to manage the farm or workshop, small children and household alone. Re-marriage of widows and widowers was common. What if a ruling couple had no children, thus no heirs? Blame the wife, divorce her, try with a new wife. Child born out of wedlock, but to parent(s) of means and status? Send child to a paid foster family. Child born to unmarried female servant? Marry her off to some other servant and give them some pocket money. These are examples of keeping up appearances and preserving social status differences, instead of a child being raised by the biological parents. What if a woman of means and status couldn't or didn't want to nurse her baby? Hire a wet nurse. The nurse wasn't officially part of the family, but de facto she kept the baby alive.

Today we see longer life expectancy. The modern decline in maternal mortality alone is an enormous factor. We still have many patchwork families, that's a constant. The main difference is that former partners very often are still alive and not dead.

Nisse wrote:When you look back in history, stepfamilies/blended families/patchwork families are not new.

'the conservative ideal of nuclear family' may be an ideal for some people, which they like imagining. It's never been an accurate description of a broader social reality.

Two spouses who stay together all their lives have existed and exist. But what if a spouse died from illness, died from childbirth, died from a work accident, was killed by marauding warriors or robbers, went to war and was killed? It's hard to manage the farm or workshop, small children and household alone. Re-marriage of widows and widowers was common. What if a ruling couple had no children, thus no heirs? Blame the wife, divorce her, try with a new wife. Child born out of wedlock, but to parent(s) of means and status? Send child to a paid foster family. Child born to unmarried female servant? Marry her off to some other servant and give them some pocket money. These are examples of keeping up appearances and preserving social status differences, instead of a child being raised by the biological parents. What if a woman of means and status couldn't or didn't want to nurse her baby? Hire a wet nurse. The nurse wasn't officially part of the family, but de facto she kept the baby alive.

Today we see longer life expectancy. The modern decline in maternal mortality alone is an enormous factor. We still have many patchwork families, that's a constant. The main difference is that former partners very often are still alive and not dead.

You're right. Traditional families were more a social expectation rather than reality. Brothels were quite common in 19th century Europe and were attended by "respectable" gentlemen too.

Nisse wrote:When you look back in history, stepfamilies/blended families/patchwork families are not new.

'the conservative ideal of nuclear family' may be an ideal for some people, which they like imagining. It's never been an accurate description of a broader social reality.

If we look further into prehistory, native societies, existing nomadic societies, and traditional societies it is clear that the nuclear family is very much a construct. In several to most societies throughout history, child rearing was a community endeavor and monogamy was hit-and-miss. Even today in our most developed societies true monogamy is very rare; most people have multiple partners over the course of their lives, we've just become more effective at preventing unwanted pregnancies.

Nisse wrote:What if a ruling couple had no children, thus no heirs?

Then the heir is the dead ruler's oldest surviving brother, if there's none, then uncle, then cousin and so on.

Muspellheim wrote:Then the heir is the dead ruler's oldest surviving brother, if there's none, then uncle, then cousin and so on.

And frequently, the right to rule was contested.

Nisse

Ioavollr wrote:And frequently, the right to rule was contested.

That's true, it happened when the heir was obviously unfit to rule, politically unwanted or some other close relative wanted the power (of course that person also needed political support). And for example when William Ćtheling died, they probably didn't have enough recorded data to find the correct heir, although there of course was someone. And the salic descent of that guy, would be the correct King of Britain.

Nisse

Hej everyone~hope you're all having a good weekend and that the snow isn't too bad where you are❄️⛄🌨️

Nisse

It isn't snowing here, but DAYUM ITS FREEZING COLD LIKE THE SIBERIAN TUNDRA

Post self-deleted by Coetha.

The snow here is around 10 inches. I remembered because I measured with my d-

Ah, welcome to Scandinavia. Cassinia

Thanks! If you can’t tell, I’m the after birth of a failed libertarian society, now in political ruin.

So a Nation of Anarchy?

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