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10ki wa secretariat

The Secretariat has published a voting overview for the current SC proposal Commend Kelssek:


Current Proposal: Commend Kelssek

Overview

Proposal:
This proposal aims to commend Kelssek for their contributions in the General Assembly, the Olympic Games and their work in the East Pacific.

Opinions:

For:

Vrijstaat Limburg wrote:“Despite Some of the less than savoury things Kelssek’s representatives may or may not have said in the past, we recognize their contributions in the field of NationStates Sports, and feel that they would be deserving of a commendation. The Free State votes for the proposal.”

Princess Mi Amore Cadenza wrote:This has our full support, obviously. Kelssek is a valuable member of the NS Sports community and is fully deserving of this commendation.

Against:

Qvait wrote:While the proposed resolution has a somewhat solid RP component to it, the list of positions the subject has served as part of The East Pacific with no mention of their particular relevance undercuts the strength of the proposal. The author could improve the proposal by elaborating on the relevance of the subject serving in these positions or omitting the section entirely.

HumanSanity wrote:The more I think about it, I just become more skeptical of this proposal. I think the nominee is deserving but the writing is haphazard in some parts and generally lacks narrative and structure. It falls more than almost any other resolution for the "time to list some things" flaw, as it essentially consists of a list of UN/GA resolutions, a list of sports hostings and sports victories, and then a very very sloppy laundry list of every position they ever held in TEP. At no point does it create narrative and the TEP section in particular is sloppy, as positions do not equate to contributions.

I'm against with a "go back, fix the writing, and try again" theme

Abstain:

Concrete Slab wrote:The delegation from Concrete Slab is conflicted on how to vote when it comes to this proposal. We agree with many of the sentiments of the good ambassador from Qvait, but still think the proposed recipient of this commendation has some merits.

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and a voting overview for the current GA proposal Long-Term Storage Of Produced Waste:

Overview

Proposal:
This proposal aims to safely store waste through businesses utilizing correct storage facilities and reducing overall waste.

Opinions:

For:
The Secretariat was unable to compile any arguments for this proposal.

Against:

Bananaistan wrote:“There are major issues here not least the fact that the proposing delegation did not do the rest of us the courtesy of providing us with the text of the proposal themselves, and did not open a debate themselves prior to asking us to vote on it.

“The requirement that every single business with an “industrial facility” must have a huge 70 year private dump regardless of the scope of the business is insane.

“The fact that this is stated as a requirement but then the following clause makes it optional is insane. Just what exactly are these businesses supposed to do?

“Then who pays for the 70 years of professional maintenance?

“Investing time and resources in assisting the effort to an non-contained waste-free world” is meaningless drivel.

“This general requirement to “reduce waste discharge” is bonkers. Specific problems have been addressed in other resolutions. It’s hardly the concern of this assemble if an old newspaper happens to blow out the door of a factory.

“This penalties thing. In the incredibly unlikely event that this proposal isn’t rightly utterly rejected by the assembly, I can assure you that the penalty in Bananaistan will be no more than 1/4d per millennium.

“Overall this will be a waste of the assembly’s time. It’s a shame that normal custom and practice has not been followed by the proposing delegation. Someone would have advised them not to bother and not waste everyone’s time.”

Calamari lands wrote:"The Calamarilandese Delegacy voted against because of the lack of a drafting process. This makes the proposal's quality very dubious."

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Astrobolt, Dorab, Silvedania, and The Galactic American Imperium

Alternate south africa wrote:Do you guys ever think that Nationstates is politically biased? I'm not trying to insult you guys or anything, but it seems like the majority of people on this website are politically biased for the left, especially with all the topics I see coming from the forums.

Are you wondering if the game itself is biased, or merely the people who play it?

Dorab, Silvedania, and The Galactic American Imperium

Venmere dispatch storage wrote:

Peregrine Cup 3: Second Day

by Venmere dispatch storage



--------------------| GROUP A: |-------------------
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The wires empire - 3
McNuggets and Large Fries - 1
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Margaux - 1
Holamo - 0
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Haivon - 2
Mat She - 1
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Coldian - 4
The yakubatian fedeal republic - 2
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--------------------| GROUP C: |-------------------
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The Indian Royalty - 4
Venmere - 2
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Kaltovar - 4
Gonggong - 2
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--------------------| GROUP D: |-------------------
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Zaberaz hapang - 4
Sowatea - 3
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Solarampa - 5
Doyan islands - 3
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--------------------| GROUP E: |-------------------
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Keswickholt - 6
Chicken town - 4
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East Cashinamasian - 6
Sifhn - 1
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Islamic holy sites - 3
Neurks Boodal - 2
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Malandrin - 3
New Meixio - 0
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--------------------| GROUP G: |-------------------
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Porflox - 3
Janraiqlux - 1
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Silvedania - 2
Dolstak - 0
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--------------------| GROUP H: |-------------------
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United ants of america - 4
Telestia - 0
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The Galactic American Imperium - 4
Xupraustan - 1
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Angry Mat Shean noises

Jabberwocky wrote:Are you wondering if the game itself is biased, or merely the people who play it?

That's a great point. It would be interesting if we could see the demographics of people who play this- their ages and/or locations. However, one of the things I like most about this website is that you don't need to provide such things to play- just your email.

Venmere dispatch storage

Peregrine Cup 3: Final Group Stage Day

by Venmere dispatch storage



--------------------| GROUP A: |-------------------
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The wires empire - 2
Holamo - 2
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Margaux - 7
McNuggets and Large Fries - 1
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FINAL STANDINGS:
1: Margaux (7 Points)
2: The wires empire (5 Points)
3: Holamo (4 Points)
4: McNuggets and Large Fries (0 Points)


--------------------| GROUP B: |-------------------
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Coldian - 3
Haivon - 3
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Mat She - 4
The yakubatian fedeal republic - 0
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FINAL STANDINGS:
1: Coldian (7 Points)
2: Haivon (7 Points)
3: Mat She (3 Points)
4: The yakubatian fedeal republic (0 Points)


--------------------| GROUP C: |-------------------
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Kaltovar - 4
The Indian Royalty - 2
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Venmere - 1
Gonggong - 0
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FINAL STANDINGS:
1: Kaltovar (9 Points)
2: The Indian Royalty (6 Points)
3: Venmere (3 Points)
4: Gonggong (0 Points)


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Zaberaz hapang - 3
Solarampa - 3
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Sowatea - 2
Doyan islands - 0
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FINAL STANDINGS:
1: Sowatea (6 Points)
2: Zaberaz hapang (5 Points)
3: Solarampa (4 Points)
4: Doyan islands (3 Points)


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Keswickholt - 3
East Cashinamasian - 2
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Chicken town - 5
Sifhn - 1
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FINAL STANDINGS:
1: Keswickholt (9 Points)
2: East Cashinamasian (6 Points)
3: Chicken town (3 Points)
4: Sifhn (0 Points)


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New Meixio - 4
Neurks Boodal - 2
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Malandrin - 3
Islamic holy sites - 2
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FINAL STANDINGS:
1: Malandrin (6 Points)
2: New Meixio (6 Points)
3: Islamic holy sites (3 Points)
4: Neurks Boodal (3 Points)


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Porflox - 4
Silvedania - 4
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Janraiqlux - 6
Dolstak - 3
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FINAL STANDINGS:
1: Porflox (7 Points)
2: Janraiqlux (6 Points)
3: Silvedania (4 Points)
4: Dolstak (0 Points)


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The Galactic American Imperium - 5
Telestia - 2
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United ants of america - 3
Xupraustan - 0
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FINAL STANDINGS:
1: United ants of america (9 Points)
2: The Galactic American Imperium (6 Points)
3: Telestia (3 Points)
4: Xupraustan (0 Points)

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Venmere dispatch storage

Peregrine Cup 3: Round of 16 Matchups

by Venmere dispatch storage


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A1 - Margaux
VS
H2 - The Galactic American Imperium
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B1 - Coldian
VS
G2 - Janraiqlux
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C1 - Kaltovar
VS
F2 - New Meixio
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D1 - Sowatea
VS
E2 - East Cashinamasian
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E1 - Keswickholt
VS
D2 - Zaberaz hapang
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F1 - Malandrin
VS
C2 - The Indian Royalty
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G1 - Porflox
VS
B2 - Haivon
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H1 - United ants of america
VS
A2 - The wires empire
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Read dispatch

Silvedania, Venmere, The Galactic American Imperium, and Sowatea

Venmere dispatch storage wrote:

Peregrine Cup 3: Round of 16 Matchups

by Venmere dispatch storage


=
__________
A1 - Margaux
VS
H2 - The Galactic American Imperium
__________

=
__________
B1 - Coldian
VS
G2 - Janraiqlux
__________

=
__________
C1 - Kaltovar
VS
F2 - New Meixio
__________

=
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D1 - Sowatea
VS
E2 - East Cashinamasian
__________

=
__________
E1 - Keswickholt
VS
D2 - Zaberaz hapang
__________

=
__________
F1 - Malandrin
VS
C2 - The Indian Royalty
__________

=
__________
G1 - Porflox
VS
B2 - Haivon
__________

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H1 - United ants of america
VS
A2 - The wires empire
__________

=
__________

Read dispatch

May the best Nation win

The people being left leaning I can mostly agree with, yes, though I'm not sure of there are any regions that hold very right wing views (wouldn't surprise me from, say, the invader regions or however they're called). That stance might have to do with demographics being mostly that of young people from the western world who have enough resources for a computer, an internet connection, and enough spare time to join this...game/forum/simulator thing), and that demographic is probably mostly left leaning, I'd imagine, so yes.

The game itself, though, I wouldn't say so. I feel like the game mocks/jokes about any and all choices you make, be it to be the ruthless tyrant of a capitalist state or an attempt at a benevolent leader in a socialist one. Few to no options come without their fair share of disadvantages, and no viewpoint or focus is really promoted, as far as I can tell. I haven't been around for nearly as long as some other people, but I can't see them saying anything much different from this, which is that the game at least tries to be either objective or laugh at both sides instead of taking one.

Dorab, Silvedania, and Free Las Pinas

*coughs* Double posting, Venmere. You should know better after this long in the region lol

Conservative republic of huang

South Orwelland wrote: I'm not sure of there are any regions that hold very right wing views (wouldn't surprise me from, say, the invader regions or however they're called).

There are plenty of fascist regions to go around (which is the whole reason the antifascist militaries like the MT army exist), along with a handful of conservative regions.

Pianaville wrote:*coughs* Double posting, Venmere. You should know better after this long in the region lol

sowwy

Silvedania, Solsevara, The Galactic American Imperium, and Sowatea

Conservative republic of huang wrote:There are plenty of fascist regions to go around (which is the whole reason the antifascist militaries like the MT army exist), along with a handful of conservative regions.

Well then that answers that, I couldn't really say how the proportions work (1:4 left to right or 2:3 or 1:1, who knows) but at least they do exist, so I don't think there is much bias in the game

is double posting even that bad

Silvedania

Alternate south africa wrote:Do you guys ever think that Nationstates is politically biased? I'm not trying to insult you guys or anything, but it seems like the majority of people on this website are politically biased for the left, especially with all the topics I see coming from the forums.

NSG(NationStates General Forum) has a majority of left-leaning players. The game itself is not biased.

Sowatea wrote:is double posting even that bad

It's not the worst offence one could perform but it clogs up the RMB with messages that could just be edited into the original post like I'm doing.

Alternate south africa

Silvedania wrote:NSG(NationStates General Forum) has a majority of left-leaning players. The game itself is not biased.

I guess it figures that the forums are full of left-leaning players. I should've clarified this by the way, when I meant biased, I meant that the majority of people on the forums seem to always take the side of the left in any political discussion, and it also seems like right-leaning players are getting punished by the mods more often, even for the pettiest reasons. I know it sounds like I'm crying about it, which I'm not, it just kinda bothers me.

"I must confess, I was born at a very early age."
-- Groucho Marx

Jabberwocky wrote:"I must confess, I was born at a very early age."
-- Groucho Marx

lmao the Marx brothers are very funny.

except for Karl, he's sort of the weird one who if you talk to him he starts talking about political ideologies

Alternate south africa wrote:I guess it figures that the forums are full of left-leaning players. I should've clarified this by the way, when I meant biased, I meant that the majority of people on the forums seem to always take the side of the left in any political discussion, and it also seems like right-leaning players are getting punished by the mods more often, even for the pettiest reasons. I know it sounds like I'm crying about it, which I'm not, it just kinda bothers me.

Gotta admit I know little about the game's forums, so while I'm not surprised by the left leaning tendencies of both the moderators and the general populace, I do admit I'm both disappointed and not surprised by the moderators being so harsh on conservative views. If I have ever learnt anything about moderators in Discord, Reddit or most other sites, is that power madness combined with political correctness and bipartisanship mean anybody who doesn't agree with one's views is heavily looked down upon. So... Yeah, that would imply a decent amount of bias. Then again, I haven't really seen the forums and it's mostly just guesswork and previous experiences, so I could be very wrong.

Edit: In unrelated news, I had an issue series on going to war with Brasilistan and somehow I went through it all without nuking them once. Did NOT think I would have the self-control to avoid using my WMDs.

Silvedania, Venmere, The Galactic American Imperium, and Alternate south africa

Conservative republic of huang

South Orwelland wrote:Gotta admit I know little about the game's forums, so while I'm not surprised by the left leaning tendencies of both the moderators and the general populace, I do admit I'm both disappointed and not surprised by the moderators being so harsh on conservative views. If I have ever learnt anything about moderators in Discord, Reddit or most other sites, is that power madness combined with political correctness and bipartisanship mean anybody who doesn't agree with one's views is heavily looked down upon. So... Yeah, that would imply a decent amount of bias. Then again, I haven't really seen the forums and it's mostly just guesswork and previous experiences, so I could be very wrong.

Edit: In unrelated news, I had an issue series on going to war with Brasilistan and somehow I went through it all without nuking them once. Did NOT think I would have the self-control to avoid using my WMDs.

The rightists complain about moderator bias and some of the leftists do as well, so it's pretty balanced.

The really hard-right types do have some trouble expressing prejudice (racism, sexism, etc.) in a non-trollish way and they more than most tend to be the ones to run afoul of the covid misinformation rule.

Dorab, South Orwelland, Silvedania, Doyan islands, and 1 otherThe Galactic American Imperium

Salzburg austria

Froggustan wrote:I am now a Queendom and also I made a flag

i am a commonwealth

South Orwelland wrote:The people being left leaning I can mostly agree with, yes, though I'm not sure of there are any regions that hold very right wing views (wouldn't surprise me from, say, the invader regions or however they're called). That stance might have to do with demographics being mostly that of young people from the western world who have enough resources for a computer, an internet connection, and enough spare time to join this...game/forum/simulator thing), and that demographic is probably mostly left leaning, I'd imagine, so yes.

From pro-life to staunchly anti-communist to more radical fascist groups, there is plenty of regional right-wing representation in the game, both moderate and extremist. But indeed most of the playerbase is left-leaning.

South Orwelland wrote:Gotta admit I know little about the game's forums, so while I'm not surprised by the left leaning tendencies of both the moderators and the general populace, I do admit I'm both disappointed and not surprised by the moderators being so harsh on conservative views. If I have ever learnt anything about moderators in Discord, Reddit or most other sites, is that power madness combined with political correctness and bipartisanship mean anybody who doesn't agree with one's views is heavily looked down upon. So... Yeah, that would imply a decent amount of bias. Then again, I haven't really seen the forums and it's mostly just guesswork and previous experiences, so I could be very wrong.

As somebody whose views are no longer very left-leaning, I still think the moderators are for the most part impartial.

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