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Austronta wrote:Give me examples

Free Toast wrote:You can always ask me for economic aid

Free Toast wrote:If you need funds or other kinds of help for your five year plan, tell me

Free Toast wrote:

I meant examples of refusal

Austronta wrote:I meant examples of refusal

Austronta wrote:We're alright for now.

My other offer turned from "economic aid" to potatoes

Brotherhood for life, Ivorica, and Austronta

The liamese empire wrote:If the people are not informed on the deal, of course they will misinterpret everything you are saying is true, but that is simply not the case. Both of our parties have been discussing this issue for over a week now and the clear majority sided with the Rhinian merger because of our mission's main points:

-Aptitude for politics
-The mutual need for membership
-Mutual benefit
-No legitimate destruction of Lezra or it's RP due to it becoming Rhinia's official roleplay region if the merger passes

We also made to ensure Lezran representation in the Rhinian government post-merger along with Lezrans remaining in charge of the regional rp council. Due to all of this, we can see that it is obvious that this deal is of mutual benefit and many of your most powerful members agreed that the only opposition was disgruntlement towards a name change which seems illegitimate due to all the reasons above.

If you'd like to read the offical bill instead of hearsay, it is here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/199YPVS1Itu5zNfQ8L5NbyXl-U6Wt0WXMV64VYjxXcfw/edit?usp=sharing

Also, if you are interested in looking at the debate, you can see it here: United Negotiation Room

I gave them the real thing.

*Somewhere in Gingeroenia*
"Now this is how you infiltrate a foreign government gentlemen, take notes"

Gingeroenia wrote:*Somewhere in Gingeroenia*
"Now this is how you infiltrate a foreign government gentlemen, take notes"

What?

Free Toast, any progress on translations?

Merger is off, we thought it would be a good idea but clearly two people here think otherwise and badmouthed the whole thing before anyone said anything.

Patek phillippe wrote:Merger is off, we thought it would be a good idea but clearly two people here think otherwise and badmouthed the whole thing before anyone said anything.

I would like to point out that the vote was 3-1 against before I made any comments.

Balticonia wrote:I would like to point out that the vote was 3-1 against before I made any comments.

No reason to surpress right?

Gingeroenia wrote:*Somewhere in Gingeroenia*
"Now this is how you infiltrate a foreign government gentlemen, take notes"

I could help you with that

Brotherhood for life, Ivorica, and Gingeroenia

Hello everybody once more!

It's been August for 2 days now.

The santland wrote:It's been August for 2 days now.

Hmmm.... i see a problem here.

Patek phillippe wrote:Alright everyone, it has come to my attention that a few people here are a bit mistaken about the bill.

Rhinia does not demand we move, we simply thought it would be a better idea than moving here (we have a greater population, been around longer and handle government stuff much better). There is another alternative we were about to bring out to the regional move too, but the biggest stumbling block here is the hardheadedness of some of your leaders who would not listen to us at times.

"this would kill our roleplay if it left our RMB" - I highly doubt that, in fact it would increase the number of nations participating. On top of that there is the option of just moving regions and keeping RP here or not much harm in just starting again with 10 extra nations participating.

We will certainly not have the most government power, in fact I am stepping down from deputy PM and Barlomia is likely to step down from PM meaning one of you will almost certainly be the first PM after the merger and likely for a long time after.

You did not argue for a better deal, you kept banging on about RP being hurt when we are also making big sacrifices to make this happen.
Sure you could say that about the 28 and 30 nations but wouldnt it be better to have a region with 60 odd nations? This would increase our exponential growth significantly.

In my mind anyway, this bill makes perfect sense, we horrible at keeping RP and your weak spot is definitely government, we did not pick you guys to ask for no reason.

I am not gonna lie, you are definitely more active than us, but that is only because you have a roleplay and active roleplayers, ours is just friendly conversation and banter atm.

The RP council is to be made up of 4 Lezrans and 1 Rhinian, it is listed in the bill. You decide what happens with the RP and we basically have no input. How is that going to be overridden.

Sparkill is also our founder (tetros), he is inactive and simply does not care about either region. You said so yourselves during discussion (you have his email if you need him to log on). The fact that he does not care means that I think he should not get a vote.

Austronta was in support of this bill too during negotiations. Now that I have rebutted the false claims of these two who simply want what they prefer rather than what is best for both regions moving forward.

Sorry if I came off a bit aggressive here, I don't mean to. Just that the only two who disagreed with the bill were never on during negotiations and would not listen to any compromise anyone came up with.

You make some good points, it's clear I've been mistaken on some parts . I think this merger needs the 2nd round of negotiations. I don't agree with having RHINIA be the home region would work. Lezra also wouldn't be able to serve as a home region, because it is susceptible to raids. I support the creation of an entirely new region.

Brotherhood for life and Patek phillippe

Patek phillippe wrote:Merger is off, we thought it would be a good idea but clearly two people here think otherwise and badmouthed the whole thing before anyone said anything.

nevermind

Old utopia wrote:"Your son has made a very good observation indeed, Ivorica has faded into the backdrop of the Great Lezran Theatre. But they themselves do not know that. Some nations still look up to Ivorica and are more distanced with us. Ivorica still holds a strong-enough military and to my belief, they still have close ties with The Santland. That is the problem. That alliance should not be allowed to continue, for the benefit of both our nations."

"I understand, but how can we force the alliance to dissolve?"

Brotherhood for life and Snowylan

Snowylan wrote:Zxia is the sister/cousin/relation of Elsa right?

Sister, yes

Brotherhood for life and Snowylan

A couple more days then mw time

Old utopia wrote:"Your son has made a very good observation indeed, Ivorica has faded into the backdrop of the Great Lezran Theatre. But they themselves do not know that. Some nations still look up to Ivorica and are more distanced with us. Ivorica still holds a strong-enough military and to my belief, they still have close ties with The Santland. That is the problem. That alliance should not be allowed to continue, for the benefit of both our nations."

I must say. That is... mighty... threatening.

A big protest has started infront of the GS to leave the Pact of Leondar due to Old Utopias aggressive war in Turkish Korania. The protest call for a referendum to leave the Pact. The leadership of the UCSR is currently debating if they should hold the referendum or if StjatSich's special unit should be called in to disperse the Protest

Brotherhood for life and The santland

Free Toast wrote:A big protest has started infront of the GS to leave the Pact of Leondar due to Old Utopias aggressive war in Turkish Korania. The protest call for a referendum to leave the Pact. The leadership of the UCSR is currently debating if they should hold the referendum or if StjatSich's special unit should be called in to disperse the Protest

*The Emperor grins*

Do it do it do it

Free Toast wrote:A big protest has started infront of the GS to leave the Pact of Leondar due to Old Utopias aggressive war in Turkish Korania. The protest call for a referendum to leave the Pact. The leadership of the UCSR is currently debating if they should hold the referendum or if StjatSich's special unit should be called in to disperse the Protest

Sector 6 agents in the nation helping Stjatsich suggest that the UCSR let the people decide what should happen.

Free Toast wrote:A big protest has started infront of the GS to leave the Pact of Leondar due to Old Utopias aggressive war in Turkish Korania. The protest call for a referendum to leave the Pact. The leadership of the UCSR is currently debating if they should hold the referendum or if StjatSich's special unit should be called in to disperse the Protest

Because more and more people are joining the protest, Erich Merk has refused to send in the special unit of StjatSich. The referendum will be hold shortly

Free Toast wrote:A big protest has started infront of the GS to leave the Pact of Leondar due to Old Utopias aggressive war in Turkish Korania. The protest call for a referendum to leave the Pact. The leadership of the UCSR is currently debating if they should hold the referendum or if StjatSich's special unit should be called in to disperse the Protest

Free Toast wrote:Because more and more people are joining the protest, Erich Merk has refused to send in the special unit of StjatSich. The referendum will be hold shortly

Bernado Ajello does nothing to prevent the referendum from happening, as he is a man of democracy.

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