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Zurkerx wrote:New poll in Zentari, come and vote!

page=poll/p=142076

How about a poll for non americans for God's sake one time finally?

Slavic lechia wrote:How about a poll for non americans for God's sake one time finally?

Hmm, I did do one with Israel and the Golan Heights a while back. I'll look into future options definitely!

Zurkerx wrote:Hmm, I did do one with Israel and the Golan Heights a while back. I'll look into future options definitely!

Make a polish one please and an Irish one too!

Meanwhile in soviet right to life
https://youtu.be/zcDNrBvNZCw

United massachusetts and Slavic lechia

Holy atlantic civilization wrote:Meanwhile in soviet right to life
https://youtu.be/zcDNrBvNZCw

Except rasputin is Massaimpossibletospell and russia is right to life...

United massachusetts

Let's knock out "Reproductive Freedoms".

United massachusetts

United massachusetts

Dontriptia wrote:Let's knock out "Reproductive Freedoms".

It's the end goal of all I do.

United massachusetts wrote:It's the end goal of all I do.

You are truly like Lenin... Making your way towards an impossible goal...

United massachusetts

Slavic lechia wrote:You are truly like Lenin... Making your way towards an impossible goal...

It's why I joined this Region. Permanent Revolution against the Culture of Death!

The World Assembly,

Noting that:

1. The Assembly's enforcement authority is limited and should be focused on legitimate international issues, not domestic policies that well meaning member states may take different positions on due to their varying cultures and political ideologies.

2. GAR #286 requires the absolute legalization of abortion, at any stage of pregnancy, for any reason on demand, including late-term, partial-birth, and sex-selective abortions. Sex-selective abortion is a violation of human rights that at the very least, should not be internationally imposed.

3. Even pro-abortion scientists report that human fetuses specifically experience extreme pain during an abortion carried out, at the very latest, between 25 and 30 weeks into pregnancy. This procedure is absolutely protected by GAR #286 and may not be prohibited or regulated in any way to protect the fetus.

4. GAR #286 requires member nations to ensure "protection from targeted animosity" towards abortionists and abortion patients, a requirement which contradicts many nations' interpretation of freedom of speech.

Hereby:

Repeals GAR #286.

The Rouge Christmas State and United massachusetts

Dontriptia wrote:The World Assembly,

Noting that:

1. The Assembly's enforcement authority is limited and should be focused on legitimate international issues, not domestic policies that well meaning member states may take different positions on due to their varying cultures and political ideologies.

2. GAR #286 requires the absolute legalization of abortion, at any stage of pregnancy, for any reason on demand, including late-term, partial-birth, and sex-selective abortions. Sex-selective abortion is a violation of human rights that at the very least, should not be internationally imposed.

3. Even pro-abortion scientists report that human fetuses specifically experience extreme pain during an abortion carried out, at the very latest, between 25 and 30 weeks into pregnancy. This procedure is absolutely protected by GAR #286 and may not be prohibited or regulated in any way to protect the fetus.

4. GAR #286 requires member nations to ensure "protection from targeted animosity" towards abortionists and abortion patients, a requirement which contradicts many nations' interpretation of freedom of speech.

Hereby:

Repeals GAR #286.

I love your passion, but I'd recommend working with a few different regions to create a solid repeal draft. Many repeal attempts have come up and failed, right now the strength of RTL seems to be networking and finding regions in which we can grow support.

Phydios, The Rouge Christmas State, United massachusetts, Lagrodia, and 1 otherDontriptia

Aawia wrote:I love your passion, but I'd recommend working with a few different regions to create a solid repeal draft. Many repeal attempts have come up and failed, right now the strength of RTL seems to be networking and finding regions in which we can grow support.

What are the other regions that are allied with this cause?

United massachusetts

Dontriptia wrote:What are the other regions that are allied with this cause?

There are a few. I can send you a detailed telegram explaining our strategy if you'd like.

United massachusetts wrote:There are a few. I can send you a detailed telegram explaining our strategy if you'd like.

Thank you, that would be great!

I forgot to mention, thank you for the congratulatory messages, graduation weekend was a blast and I now have my first set of initials after my name, onward and upward :)

Rost dreadnorramus wrote:I wonder how many Teslas?

How many inventions?

How many voices, and leaders of peace?

How many cures?

How many greats?

Nice. However, for the sake of playing devil's advocate (which some I expect will be seeing as literally true whenever I make a pro-abortion argument in RTL), here's a counter:

How many women's careers have been cut short by unwanted motherhood?
How many discoveries might they have made? How many great leaders could have been if they hadn't been raising children?
How many evil people have been stopped from existing because they died before they were born?
How many warmongers? How many destroyers?
How many Hitlers?
How much environmental damage from even more human lives on the planet?

Not that the above make for a good argument for abortion. Rather, they point out that it's an assumption that the utilitarian cost to society of abortion has been great. In actuality, many might judge that societies that allow abortion tend to be ones with broader civil rights generally, greater feminism, and more rationalism. Of course, correlation is not causation, so I would not be so presumptious as to say that allowing abortion promotes human rights.

Rather, they focus the argument for pro-life on the actual reason for not liking abortion:

Rost dreadnorramus wrote:How many lives in general?

Yep, that's the one.

That's my one any only reason for not being keen on abortion. Killing humans ain't something that is good.

The question for me becomes "what is human?" and "what's the moral balance here?"
It's not as an easy to take as for those of you who are opposed from the moment of conception, but it's one of those places where I have to adopt a midpoint where I think the laws of my own country are far too open in allowing abortion, but where there is some role for it in some circumstances, with very careful checks and measures and in very early pregnancy.

Horatius Cocles, United massachusetts, and Dontriptia

First And Only Archive wrote:Nice. However, for the sake of playing devil's advocate (which some I expect will be seeing as literally true whenever I make a pro-abortion argument in RTL), here's a counter:

How many women's careers have been cut short by unwanted motherhood?
How many discoveries might they have made? How many great leaders could have been if they hadn't been raising children?
How many evil people have been stopped from existing because they died before they were born?
How many warmongers? How many destroyers?
How many Hitlers?
How much environmental damage from even more human lives on the planet?

Not that the above make for a good argument for abortion. Rather, they point out that it's an assumption that the utilitarian cost to society of abortion has been great. In actuality, many might judge that societies that allow abortion tend to be ones with broader civil rights generally, greater feminism, and more rationalism. Of course, correlation is not causation, so I would not be so presumptious as to say that allowing abortion promotes human rights.

Motherhood is not the end of a woman's life. There was a billboard last month sponsored by the Sanilac County Health Department in Michigan, claiming that women couldn't be successful while also being mothers. It got a lot of blowback - not just from pro-lifers, but also from feminists - because of how offensive it was. A woman who has to choose between her baby and her career/education is a woman who has received insufficient support from others. It is very much possible to do both- it only requires society to stop seeing children as a burden or a cancer (sometimes literally).

If Planned Parenthood actually helped women plan for parenthood, more women might choose life for their baby- which is why they don't. Abortion is their entire business model, and every other service they provide is aimed towards getting the woman to show up later for an abortion.

Plenty of FQHCs (http://getyourcare.org) do provide care for women (more than any PP location, for less money, and at more locations), but they are often understaffed and underfunded. And somehow, defunding PP and redirecting the funds to these centers is continually opposed for being "anti-woman". Makes one wonder what's defined as "pro-woman".

"These suggestions are geared both towards supporting a woman during pregnancy and helping families live in conditions conducive to choosing life should they face an unexpected pregnancy. They do contain references to my faith, but most are just as easily implemented without any religious component."
https://thefederalist.com/2019/03/28/5-ways-help-mothers-experiencing-crisis-pregnancies/

"The Sanilac County Health Department Facebook page is being slammed with responses to their disgusting billboard. The negative reactions are not just coming from pro-life conservatives, many of the responses are from feminists who are offended that the county health department is suggesting it’s not possible to have children and a career."
https://100percentfedup.com/just-in-mi-county-health-department-puts-up-billboard-suggesting-mothers-kill-their-babies-so-they-can-get-a-degree/

Aawia, United massachusetts, The Catholic State of Eire, and Slavic lechia

Slavic lechia

What we see:

How many women's careers have been cut short by unwanted motherhood that are more important than human life?
How many discoveries might they have made that a mother cannot make?
How many great leaders could have been if they hadn't been raising children that are not capable of managing a home?
How many evil people have been stopped from existing because they died before they were born that were not massive murderers and could have been changed?
How many warmongers like Obama who is considered great, or Napoleon who is a hero of Poland?
How many destroyers like the french revolutionists that are heroes to the French or Crusaders that are considered sacred by catholics?
How many Hitlers? (well there has been one hitler in the history of the world... Would be hard to get the exact same person, but I get the idea)
How much environmental damage from even more human lives on the planet or how many people that would solve that problem?

Tag: First And Only Archive

Slavic lechia wrote:What we see:

Lechia, will you please make it clear what Candle said and what you said? Don't just edit or add to his words without making it clear what you changed.

If anyone's interested, I recently wrote my first article on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sudan_Opposition_Alliance

New Dolgaria wrote:If anyone's interested, I recently wrote my first article on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sudan_Opposition_Alliance

Very intresting article about one of the newest countries in the world.

New Dolgaria, Horatius Cocles, Phydios, and New waldensia

THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED

United massachusetts

Which system?

Phydios wrote:Lechia, will you please make it clear what Candle said and what you said? Don't just edit or add to his words without making it clear what you changed.

I think it is clear considering one message above you have the exact quote anyway...

Dontriptia

page=UN_proposal/council=1

Repeal Reproductive Freedoms up for quorum now (this isn't my proposal)

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