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Marv: tables the bill because his amendments are failing "I am...inevitable"
Senate: listens to the demands of the people "And I...am the better chamber"

okay, we've been over this, let's pass it as soon as the minimum period expires

Well, I simply want to reaffirm my support for this. That's all.

Sucks that we have to go through this again, things are getting quite boring in this chamber.

Senators, we have begun voting on the Positions Restrictions Reform Act (2021).



Positions Restrictions Reform Act (2021)

An Act that reforms and sets out new positions restrictions for government members.
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-- Written by Islonia, Brototh --
-- Sponsored by Nova Anglicum, Toerana V --
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PREAMBLE

Noting, that many legislators have been forced to resign to give up their positions in Congress to become Ministers,
Believing, that this system is outdated and does not work anymore,
Understanding, that as time goes on, this will only hurt Thaecia by taking away competent legislators,

Congress hereby agrees,

Section I - The following positions of government shall be defined as Restricted Positions:

  • a. The Presidency

  • b. The Prime Ministership

  • c. Justice

  • d. Electoral Commissioner

Section II - Government members in Restricted Positions cannot hold any other position in government, this includes:

  • a. The Presidency

  • b. The Prime Ministership

  • c. Justice

  • d. Electoral Commissioner

  • e. Any Ministerial Position

  • f. Senator or Member of Parliament

Section I - Ministers must not hold any other Ministerial Position. They shall, however, be permitted to hold lesser ministerial roles in other ministries.

Section II - Within Congress, Senators and Members of Parliament may only be allowed to hold their positions and extensions to them, this means roles such as Chamber Leadership. They may not be allowed to occupy more than one of these extended positions within Congress at once.

Section III - Secretary positions shall not be considered as Restricted. They shall be exempt from restrictions placed on other positions in this Act, and will face no restrictions on that position. However they shall still face other restrictions placed out in this bill on other offices.

Section I - The passage of this bill hereby constitutes the repeal of L.R.004 Positions Restriction Act.

Read dispatch

Aye

Cerdenia (IND)
Dendrobium (SOL)
Emazia (IND)
Ermica (TCU)
Pap Sculgief (IND)
Sevae (IND)
Toerana V (IND)

Aye

Aye

aye

Aye

Results:
Aye (5) Ashlawn Cerdenia Ermica Pap Sculgief Sevae
Nay (0)
Abstain (3) Dendrobium Emazia Toerana V

The bill has passed and will be sent to the House.

Senators, we have begun debate on the Ministers, Justice & EC Citizenship Requirement Constitutional Amendment.

Ministers, Justice & EC Citizenship Requirement Constitutional Amendment
Author: Brototh
Sponsor: Brototh
As amended by: Brototh, Nova Anglicum, Marvinville


Amend Article I Section I to read as follows:

  • Section I - The Executive branch of government, also known as the Cabinet, shall be composed of the Prime Minister, and its Ministers, as decreed by law or as nominated by the Prime Minister and appointed by a confirmation vote by the Senate; the Cabinet shall at least be composed of a Minister tasked with Foreign Affairs, a Minister tasked with Domestic Affairs, and a Minister tasked with Legal Affairs.

    • Section Ia - Only Thaecian citizens may become Ministers and hold lesser ministerial positions.

Amend Article III to read as follows:

Creates Section IV which reads:

  • Section IV - Only Thaecian citizens may hold the position of Justice or Deputy Justice.

Amend Article VIII - Elections to read as follows:

Creates Section VI which reads:

  • Section VI - Only Thaecian citizens may hold the position of Electoral Commissioner.

Read dispatch

I will be submitting an amendment to this bill:

Section Ia - Only Thaecian citizens may become Ministers and hold lesser ministerial positions.

We are better off getting this fixed in the upcoming constitutional convention, too minor to warrant its own referendum. If we have any issue with non-citizens getting nominated until then (which seems unlikely) we can vote them down anyways, all of the relevant positions with no citizenship requirement require nomination in Congress.

This seems like an obvious thing again - being a citizen ensures that Ministers, Justices, or the EC aren't someone's puppet and reduces manipulation opportunities. Also encourages people to become a citizen which is also a good thing

EDIT: Oh I see what Cerd said, yes that is something to consider but like, we can't just vote down any bill because "the convention will fix it". That would be relying on a convention that hasn't happened yet, plus in the end we may just forget to do it and will need another amendment later. Still will vote Aye on this.

EDIT#2: Opposed to Emazia's amendment - I believe to hold any position you have to prove you aren't someone's puppet, that's just common sense. And again, encourages people to become a citizen, which theoretically increases our amount of WA nations and thus our influence on the WA vote

Sevae wrote:This seems like an obvious thing again - being a citizen ensures that Ministers, Justices, or the EC aren't someone's puppet and reduces manipulation opportunities. Also encourages people to become a citizen which is also a good thing

EDIT: Oh I see what Cerd said, yes that is something to consider but like, we can't just vote down any bill because "the convention will fix it". That would be relying on a convention that hasn't happened yet, plus in the end we may just forget to do it and will need another amendment later. Still will vote Aye on this.

EDIT#2: Opposed to Emazia's amendment - I believe to hold any position you have to prove you aren't someone's puppet, that's just common sense. And again, encourages people to become a citizen, which theoretically increases our amount of WA nations and thus our influence on the WA vote

To me, I think the freedom and flexibility my amendment would provide is important, but I see where you're coming from and respect your vote against.

Emazia wrote:I will be submitting an amendment to this bill:

Section Ia - Only Thaecian citizens may become Ministers and hold lesser ministerial positions.

Pretty sure this is what the house added in so this would probably cause another big showdown

Cerdenia wrote:We are better off getting this fixed in the upcoming constitutional convention, too minor to warrant its own referendum. If we have any issue with non-citizens getting nominated until then (which seems unlikely) we can vote them down anyways, all of the relevant positions with no citizenship requirement require nomination in Congress.

I agree, at the time when I wrote this it was ages before anyone even really thought of a convention and the bill was just a quick fix to a problem Taungu wrote. With the new convention act being passed there's no point in us really doing this at all and I suggest it just gets tabled and we do an amendment to a bill or something. Hell it could even be voted down because we can add this in the convention anyway.

Love how I'm here so often I just say "us" at this rate

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