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Dendrobium wrote:

Changes Article 1 Calling and Convening a Convention to say:

(1) Congress may convene a Constitutional Convention, where if a motion calling for the Constitutional Convention, requiring a which requires 2/3 supermajority support in each individual chamber, has passed both chambers.

(2) Members of both legislative chambers shall separately elect a single Convention Chairperson Candidate and Deputy Chairperson by a vote organised by the Electoral Commission using the immediate runoff voting system. They must serve unless they resign, or are removed.

(3) Convention Chairperson Candidates can be anyone in either Chamber of congress, and once both Chambers have come to a conclusion on their respective Candidate, another vote by the same standards will decide on which one of the two will be the Conventional Chairperson or Deputy Conventional Chairperson.

Changes Article 2 Member of the Convention, Section 1 to say:

(1) Members of a legislative chamber hold the right for full participation in formal membership of the Convention; meaning the right to fully participate in all official Convention debates and votes.

Changes Article 3 Powers of the Chair and Deputy Chairpersons, Section 3 to say:

Any power the Chairperson holds may be delegated to any deputies their Deputy Chairperson as they see fit seen fit by the Chairperson.

Changes Article 4 - Fundamental Procedures of the Convention, Section 3 to say:

All amendments are entitled to a minimum of 12 24 hours of debate. They are also entitled to a minimum of 24 hours of vote.

Changes Changes Article 4 - Fundamental Procedures of the Convention, Section 6 to say:

If the Chairperson or Deputy loses their seat as a Senator/Member of Parliament for X during the Convention, a vote shall be held for that position as per Art(1)(2) specified in Article 1. Should any other official member of the Convention as specified in Article 2 lose their seat during the Convention, that seat will remain vacant until a Snap Election is held for that seat. Senators or Members of Parliament elected in a Snap Election during the Convention shall be allowed to be formal members of the Convention.

Full support all amendments, a bit wordy but I think it gets the point across-the-board capitalise Congress in amendment A tho pls my perfectionism :((

Brototh wrote:capitalise Congress in amendment A tho pls my perfectionism :((

never ;)

Senators, we have begun voting on the following amendments to the Constitutional Convention Act.

Changes Article 1 Calling and Convening a Convention to say:

(1) Congress may convene a Constitutional Convention, where if a motion calling for the Constitutional Convention, requiring a which requires 2/3 supermajority support in each individual chamber, has passed both chambers.

(2) Members of both legislative chambers shall separately elect a single Convention Chairperson Candidate and Deputy Chairperson by a vote organised by the Electoral Commission using the immediate runoff voting system. They must serve unless they resign, or are removed.

(3) Convention Chairperson Candidates can be anyone in either Chamber of Congress, and once both Chambers have come to a conclusion on their respective Candidate, another vote by the same standards will decide on which one of the two will be the Conventional Chairperson or Deputy Conventional Chairperson.

Changes Article 2 Member of the Convention, Section 1 to say:

(1) Members of a legislative chamber hold the right for full participation in formal membership of the Convention; meaning the right to fully participate in all official Convention debates and votes.

Changes Article 3 Powers of the Chair and Deputy Chairpersons, Section 3 to say:

Any power the Chairperson holds may be delegated to any deputies their Deputy Chairperson as they see fit seen fit by the Chairperson.

Changes Article 4 - Fundamental Procedures of the Convention, Section 3 to say:

All amendments are entitled to a minimum of 12 24 hours of debate. They are also entitled to a minimum of 24 hours of vote.

Changes Changes Article 4 - Fundamental Procedures of the Convention, Section 6 to say:

If the Chairperson or Deputy loses their seat as a Senator/Member of Parliament for X during the Convention, a vote shall be held for that position as per Art(1)(2) specified in Article 1. Should any other official member of the Convention as specified in Article 2 lose their seat during the Convention, that seat will remain vacant until a Snap Election is held for that seat. Senators or Members of Parliament elected in a Snap Election during the Convention shall be allowed to be formal members of the Convention.

Aye to All

Cerdenia (IND)
Dendrobium (SOL)
Emazia (IND)
Ermica (TCU)
Pap Sculgief (IND)
Sevae (IND)
Toerana V (IND)

Aye to all

A: Aye
B: Aye
C: Aye
D: Aye
E: Aye

All amendments provide better wording and clarification that improve the bill.

Aye to all

Aye to all

Aye to all

Aye to all

Senators, all Amendments have passed. With permission of the Chair, we have begun voting on the final bill as amended.


Author(s): Islonia, Brototh
Sponsor(s): Islonia
As Amended By: Dendrobium

Preamble:
An Act to establish procedures for calling and conducting a Constitutional Convention.

Congress Hereby Agrees:

(1) Congress may convene a Constitutional Convention, if a motion calling for the Constitutional Convention, requiring a 2/3 supermajority support in each individual chamber, has passed both chambers.

(2) Members of both legislative chambers shall separately elect a single Convention Chairperson Candidate by a vote organised by the Electoral Commission using the immediate runoff voting system. They must serve unless they resign, or are removed.

(3) Convention Chairperson Candidates can be anyone in either Chamber of Congress, and once both Chambers have come to a conclusion on their respective Candidate, another vote by the same standards will decide on which one of the two will be the Conventional Chairperson or Deputy Conventional Chairperson.

(1) Members of a legislative chamber hold the right for formal membership of the Convention; meaning the right to fully participate in all official Convention debates and votes.

(2) Citizens of Thaecia who are not members of the legislative chamber shall have access to the Convention to vote on the final articles, and the constitution, whilst limitations on other access shall be dictated by the Convention Chairperson.

(1) The Chairperson is the leader of the Convention, with the Deputy Chairpersons acting as deputy leaders of the Convention.

(2) The Chairperson holds the authority to call the vote on any amendments, articles, and the final constitution, setting time limits on discussions and organising debates.

(3) Any power the Chairperson holds may be delegated to their Deputy Chairperson as seen fit by the Chairperson.

(4) Members as described under Art(2)(1) may, with a simple majority, remove the Chairperson.

(5) If the Chairperson is removed, members classed under Art(2)(1) shall appoint another Chairperson via a simple majority vote, who shall serve until they resign or are removed.

(1) The Constitutional Convention shall be held publicly to all Thaecian citizens. Those who are not members as described by Art(2)(1) will be allowed to debate in their own public channel.

(2) The Constitutional Convention shall proceed one article at a time. Once a final article has been approved by the Members of the Convention, it shall go to public vote. Once the full Constitution has been approved by the Members of the Convention, it shall also go to public vote, where it requires a 3/5th majority to pass.

(3) All amendments are entitled to a minimum of 24 hours of debate. They are also entitled to a minimum of 24 hours of vote.

(4) Amendments that relate to the same Article of the Convention may be debated on and voted on at the same time.

(5) The Convention Chairperson shall be forced to call the Convention into recess at least 3 days before elections for the Senate and House of Commons, this excludes snap elections.

(6) If the Chairperson or Deputy loses their seat as a Senator/Member of Parliament during the Convention, a vote shall be held for that position as specified in Article 1. Should any other official member of the Convention as specified in Article 2 lose their seat during the Convention, that seat will remain vacant until a Snap Election is held for that seat. Senators or Members of Parliament elected in a Snap Election during the Convention shall be allowed to be formal members of the Convention.

(7) Voting on a finalised Article shall last for 48 hours, and voting on the finalised Constitution shall last 72 hours. If successful, the Chair shall declare the formal dissolution of the Constitutional Convention, and the amendment shall be sent to Congress as per the Constitutional Procedure.

(8) The Convention may return to an Article once it has already passed, if it is found there is a problem, or a change should be made.

Read factbook

My vote is Aye.

Ashlawn (IND)
Cerdenia (IND)
Dendrobium (SOL)
Emazia (IND)
Ermica (TCU)
Pap Sculgief (IND)
Sevae (IND)
Toerana V (IND)

Aye

Aye

Aye

Aye

Aye

Aye

Aye

Sorry, caught up with rl stuff recently >_>

we gonna move on or what

Results
Aye: Ashlawn, Cerdenia, Dendrobium, Emazia, Ermica, Pap Sculgief, Sevae, Toerana V
Nay: none
Abstain: none
The above bill has passed and is hereby passed onto the House of Commons Marvinville.

Senators, we have nu begun the debate on Amendments to L.R. 23 by Hulldom, as per L.R. 037 the author has permission to use the RMB during this debate.

Author: Hulldom
Sponsors: Hulldom

Recognizing the inherent problems with a system where executive stonewalling can still be allowed to occur within the bounds of the law...

CONGRESS HEREBY AGREES,

1. That Article One "A Congressional Investigation is an action started by both chambers of Congress which involves looking at actions of the Executive Branch that are deemed as flawed and issuing actions for the Executive Branch to do in order to remediate the perceived wrongdoing as well as to explore any issues raised by the Executive Branch." shall be amended to read "A Congressional Investigation is an action started by both chambers of Congress which involves looking at actions of the Executive Branch, or an official working within the Executive Branch, that are deemed as flawed and issuing actions for the Executive Branch, or an official to do in order to remediate the perceived wrongdoing as well as to explore any issues raised by the Executive Branch."

1. That Article Three, Clause 1: "A Congressional Investigation will take place in a Joint Session of Congress. It can call any witnesses it desires to testify and it can call on any evidence or informations necessary from the Executive Branch, which it is obligated to submit, unless it is classified information." shall be amended to read "A Congressional Investigation will take place in a Joint Session of Congress. It can call any witnesses it desires to testify and it can call on any evidence or informations necessary from the Executive Branch, which it is obligated to submit, unless it is classified information."

2. That these additional clauses will be submitted after Article Three, Clause 1 which shall read: "In the event that the Executive fails to submit evidence or information within 72 hours, the initiator of the motion for an Investigation shall have the power to present to the High Court a subpoena, which shall legally mandate the official in question to turn over said information."

3. That Article Three, Clause 2: "A Congressional Investigation can last from 2 to 5 days." shall be amended to read "A Congressional Investigation can last from 2 to 5 days as long as both Houses of Congress find it prudent to keep an investigation open."

1. That Article Four, Clause 1: "After the Investigation ended either by the vote of a majority or automatically by passing the 5 days limit, a conclusion needs to be approved whether the action was flawed or not and if it was, what steps the Executive needs to take to correct it. The ruling needs to be applied by the Executive." shall be amended to read "After the Investigation endeds either by the vote of a majority or automatically by passing the 5 days limit, a conclusion needs to be approved as to whether the action was flawed or not and if it was, what steps the Executive needs to take to correct it."

2. That Article Four, Clause 2: "The ruling needs to be applied by the Executive." shall be amended to read "The ruling and any rulings or directives contained within needs to must be applied by the Executive or government official whose action was the subject of the investigation."

Read dispatch

Ashlawn (IND)
Cerdenia (IND)
Dendrobium (SOL)
Emazia (IND)
Ermica (TCU)
Pap Sculgief (IND)
Sevae (IND)
Toerana V (IND)

This seems fairly straightforward overall to me. It's a common sense change that allows you all to actually use your investigatory powers without running around like a chicken with its head cut off.

Hulldom

Seems like there is an issue with the Amendment to Article III, as section II reads that they may be prosecuted for violation of the "Thaecia Legal Code", an Act which has been repealed and replaced a while back, so must correct this.

Other than that it's a fine bill I guess, I'm not sure we will ever need to use this system, however it's not a bad thing to make it it slightly better either way.

Cerdenia wrote:Hulldom

Seems like there is an issue with the Amendment to Article III, as section II reads that they may be prosecuted for violation of the "Thaecia Legal Code", an Act which has been repealed and replaced a while back, so must correct this.

Other than that it's a fine bill I guess, I'm not sure we will ever need to use this system, however it's not a bad thing to make it it slightly better either way.

I mentioned it to Ashlawn that someone would need to amend that out, but here's the formal language to get rid of: "If the subject of the investigation still refuses to hand over information, they may be prosecuted by the Justice Minister for a violation of Article IX of the Thaecia Legal Code (L.R. 008)"

Hulldom wrote:I mentioned it to Ashlawn that someone would need to amend that out, but here's the formal language to get rid of: "If the subject of the investigation still refuses to hand over information, they may be prosecuted by the Justice Minister for a violation of Article IX of the Thaecia Legal Code (L.R. 008)"

Actually, this bill hasn't passed the House of Commons yet right? As such you can just amend it yourself, being the author of the bill.

Cerdenia wrote:Actually, this bill hasn't passed the House of Commons yet right? As such you can just amend it yourself, being the author of the bill.

Oh, well then, will do.

Edit: Offending sentence removed.

It appears good now that Article III is fixed, so I don't really have anything to say.

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