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One of the things I'm working on with Weinam is national witch hunts. Similar to those famously of Salem and Great Wenham in the UK. I'm curious to know if other TWI would be interested in mass witch hunts across the years of 1602-1699, like a regional fear and action.

Segentova, Athara magarat, Wellsia, and Dothrakia

Athara magarat wrote:Looked at my Imgur images to come across the worst crime I have ever committed...

https://i.imgur.com/VULx28L.png

At least the border gore isn't quite to HRE levels...

:-) Do Corindia and Shidei get to occupy Fish City?

Athara magarat, Nhoor, and Shidei

Martenyika wrote:Anyone who has already valued their currency--how'd you do it? I arrived at a number by averaging a bunch of different currencies but I still have no clue if I'm doing it right or realistically.

Based mine off of the British pound

The Almorean Air Force is led by the President, who is the constitutional commander-in-chief of all the military assets of the Almorean nation.

The President appoints a civilian Secretary of the Air Force to administer the Air Force on a day-to-day basis, and this official reports to the Secretary of War, who is the top civilian head of the Almorean military. The Air Chief Marshal, the Air Force's highest-ranking officer, leads Air Force General Headquarters (AFHQ).

The basic organization of the Air Force can be broken down as follows.

  • Air Force General Headquarters- the overall headquarters of the Air Force, as the name indicates. AFHQ manages all operational aspects of the Air Force and is responsible for military intelligence gathering, asset management, and the development of war plans.

  • Supply Command- led by an air vice marshal, and responsible for the Air Force's logistics: supplies, fuel, ammunition, and repairs.

  • Training Command- led by an air vice marshal; oversees the Airmen Training School, the Air Force Communications Academy, and the officers' Air Force Institute.

  • Trannsa District- led, as are the other districts, by an air marshal. Provides protection for the economically-vital provinces of Adashawnee and Baranor, and provides protection for Almorean and foreign VIPs, such as the President and foreign dignitaries.

  • Northern District- provides assets covering the northern provinces of Gavshin and Frasyrland, and operates the National Aerospace Tracking and Defense Command (NATDC).

  • Central District- provides assets covering the provinces of Roonmore, Talavora, and Warenne Island.

  • Southern District- provides assets covering the provinces of Queensland, Gray Hills, and New Arvan. The Southern District shares forces with Almorea's partners in the Raedlon Organization of States, Nhoor, Solaryia, and New totzka.

  • Air Force Reserve- a pool of 4,000 enlisted personnel, as well as 500 temporary volunteers drawn from the National Volunteer Corps, which provides short-term armed volunteers to supplement the Almorean military's domestic capability.

Equipment
The Air Force uses a variety of aircraft and other weaponry. Many Almorean warplanes are made in Corindia, while Noronica has also supplied technology. Almorean manufacturers are important to the Air Force, as they supply repair kits and spare parts for foreign-made fighter jets. To avoid having to purchase expensive licenses, the Almorean government encourages the Military Design Bureau (MDB), the military's development agency, to study and "borrow" foreign technology to provide workable models for domestic planes.

  • ROS fighter jet. Still in development, this plane is being built by Almorean technicians and experts from Nhoor and is expected to enter service in the early 2020s.

  • 40 MRF7 Águila. Built and outfitted by Corindi technicians, the Águila is Almorea's best fighter aircraft, and can effectively engage enemy air and ground assets. The government purchased 20 of these planes in 2015 and another 20 in 2018, for over $1 billion in total.

  • 17 GA2 Tarasque ground attack aircraft. Also a Corindi-built plane, the Air Force maintains a small fleet of them. Tarasque ground attack fighters used by the Air Force are equipped mainly with SEAD weaponry, and are intended to supplement the Army's mission of defending the homeland against ground invasion, as well as for use attacking enemy installations overseas.

  • 22 LinkTornado jets. Forty of these planes were bought by Almorean officials in the 1980s, but they have been phased out since 2010. In the present day, Almorea's fleet of Tornado fighter jets is equipped with air-to-air missiles and autocannons, giving them some capability in a dogfight, but many of the planes are plagued with mechanical issues.

  • 28 LinkA229 attack helicopters. Adopted in 2016, these helicopters are the best which Almorea can deploy. Compared to the A129, they have better avionics and weapons systems, such as being equipped to carry Thunderbolt missiles from Athara magarat.

  • 19 LinkAgusta A129 attack helicopters. The Air Force has used this model since 1990, but many have been transferred to the control of the Army. These helicopters are mainly used for light patrol duties and would supplement the more powerful A229 models in combat.

  • 1 Lagartija helicopter. Made in Corindia. The Air Force bought one model in 2019 to test its capabilities, and may phase out the A129 in favor of the Lagartija by 2025.

  • 10 Matuasto transport helicopter. Corinidi-made.

  • 5 MRTT3 Iolaidh tanker transport. Designed by engineers in Noronica and Corindia, this aircraft has been used by the Air Force since 2012 to transport large quantities of troops and equipment for the other branches of the military. A sixth such aircraft crashed and exploded several years ago.

  • 41 LinkAvenger Air Defense System. Armed with heat-seeking surface-to-air missiles, these vehicles complement the Army's extensive anti-aircraft capability, and are used to guard Almorean shores against incoming hostile aircraft.

  • 7 HAR2 Corbeau recon aircraft. Made in Corindia.

  • 30 LinkEagle armored vehicles. Armed with light machine guns and used for transport and logistics duties, as well as by the Air Force's 150-man police unit.

  • 15 trainer planes of various makes and models

  • A drone fleet- in the past few years, the Air Force has invested over $400 million in buying and equipping attack and reconnaissance drones. The government has awarded a contract to Dynamo Industrial Solutions to produce small, Almorean-made drones equipped with antipersonnel shrapnel missiles.

Force concentrations

  • Trannsa District- 5000 personnel

  • Northern District- 3800 personnel

  • Central District- 3100 personnel

  • Southern District- 6000 personnel

  • AFHQ- 800 personnel

  • TOTAL- 18700 personnel

Read factbook

Many thanks to Corindia for extensive use of his tech once again. Please give me some feedback- does this look realistic, etc.

Miklania, Athara magarat, Corindia, Dragao do mar, and 3 othersAustrovik-Germania, Alteran republics, and Nhoor

Athara magarat wrote:Technically, we don't call it a colony but we do have something like that.

Between 914 - 1914 (although more specific dates would have to be done depending on the location), the Khas-Kirat Empire (technically not an empire but a loose confederation) had these political states called "hangates" in almost every nation (in fact, it will be much easier to count the number of Isles nations that did not have a hangate...no joke). The way hangates worked was that, a Khas-Kirati tribes (aka the 36 Guns of Magarat) with large population would be granted "invasion rights" by the Mahang (who is kind like an elected Emperor but has to be from the same dynasty) to conquer a "new land" (by this, we mean territories not conquered by another tribe). The hangates had to pay annual tributes to the Mahang but were pretty much highly autonomous aside from that. Since Khas-Kirati men generally took the religion of their wives in Magarat, the system was carried out to the hangates and the Khas-Kirati rulers and soldiers generally took local wives; adopting the language, culture and religion of their spouses. Within two or three generations, the settlers would identify more with the locals than with their cousins from other hangates. This culture clash (fueled by other motivations) led to hangates fighting each other and the Khas-Kirat Empire was always in a state of internal war; and this is turn led to eventual decline of Khas-Kirati power while former tributaries (aka the Noronnican Kingdom), former colonies/territories (aka Domanania) or lands they used to raid for slaves and gold (aka Aizcona and Dormill-Stiura) rose in power.

And depending on what you want, you can either have just one hangate (like mist nations such as Aprosia, Townside or Wellsia) or multiple hangates (like San Montagna).

Also, over the years, the term hangate went from "new lands conquered by X tribe" to just "any state ruled by a hang or hangma". So yeah, there were loads of Argean Ipachi hangates and a few Nyssic or Doman ones as well.

I would definitely be open to having my nation be a hangate, possibly during the 1700s.

Athara magarat

Aruia wrote:But yes Bank of Gael influenced most other nations in Gael who didnt take part in the civil war, and flooding the regional market with foreign goods caused a problwm with local production.

My point was that at the moment it feels like the story of the Bank of Gael and not the story of an 80's market crash in a certain region.

Havalland wrote:Based mine off of the British pound

What is the value of the fer? How is it subdivided?

Athara magarat

Weinam wrote:One of the things I'm working on with Weinam is national witch hunts. Similar to those famously of Salem and Great Wenham in the UK. I'm curious to know if other TWI would be interested in mass witch hunts across the years of 1602-1699, like a regional fear and action.

You want help to kill witches, demons and monsters? Call us, we have experiences removing these pests from AM, SM and Noronica.

page=dispatch/id=1218888

Weinam

Athara magarat

Almorea wrote:
The Almorean Air Force is led by the President, who is the constitutional commander-in-chief of all the military assets of the Almorean nation.

The President appoints a civilian Secretary of the Air Force to administer the Air Force on a day-to-day basis, and this official reports to the Secretary of War, who is the top civilian head of the Almorean military. The Air Chief Marshal, the Air Force's highest-ranking officer, leads Air Force General Headquarters (AFHQ).

The basic organization of the Air Force can be broken down as follows.

  • Air Force General Headquarters- the overall headquarters of the Air Force, as the name indicates. AFHQ manages all operational aspects of the Air Force and is responsible for military intelligence gathering, asset management, and the development of war plans.

  • Supply Command- led by an air vice marshal, and responsible for the Air Force's logistics: supplies, fuel, ammunition, and repairs.

  • Training Command- led by an air vice marshal; oversees the Airmen Training School, the Air Force Communications Academy, and the officers' Air Force Institute.

  • Trannsa District- led, as are the other districts, by an air marshal. Provides protection for the economically-vital provinces of Adashawnee and Baranor, and provides protection for Almorean and foreign VIPs, such as the President and foreign dignitaries.

  • Northern District- provides assets covering the northern provinces of Gavshin and Frasyrland, and operates the National Aerospace Tracking and Defense Command (NATDC).

  • Central District- provides assets covering the provinces of Roonmore, Talavora, and Warenne Island.

  • Southern District- provides assets covering the provinces of Queensland, Gray Hills, and New Arvan. The Southern District shares forces with Almorea's partners in the Raedlon Organization of States, Nhoor, Solaryia, and New totzka.

  • Air Force Reserve- a pool of 4,000 enlisted personnel, as well as 500 temporary volunteers drawn from the National Volunteer Corps, which provides short-term armed volunteers to supplement the Almorean military's domestic capability.

Equipment
The Air Force uses a variety of aircraft and other weaponry. Many Almorean warplanes are made in Corindia, while Noronica has also supplied technology. Almorean manufacturers are important to the Air Force, as they supply repair kits and spare parts for foreign-made fighter jets. To avoid having to purchase expensive licenses, the Almorean government encourages the Military Design Bureau (MDB), the military's development agency, to study and "borrow" foreign technology to provide workable models for domestic planes.

  • ROS fighter jet. Still in development, this plane is being built by Almorean technicians and experts from Nhoor and is expected to enter service in the early 2020s.

  • 40 MRF7 Águila. Built and outfitted by Corindi technicians, the Águila is Almorea's best fighter aircraft, and can effectively engage enemy air and ground assets. The government purchased 20 of these planes in 2015 and another 20 in 2018, for over $1 billion in total.

  • 17 GA2 Tarasque ground attack aircraft. Also a Corindi-built plane, the Air Force maintains a small fleet of them. Tarasque ground attack fighters used by the Air Force are equipped mainly with SEAD weaponry, and are intended to supplement the Army's mission of defending the homeland against ground invasion, as well as for use attacking enemy installations overseas.

  • 22 LinkTornado jets. Forty of these planes were bought by Almorean officials in the 1980s, but they have been phased out since 2010. In the present day, Almorea's fleet of Tornado fighter jets is equipped with air-to-air missiles and autocannons, giving them some capability in a dogfight, but many of the planes are plagued with mechanical issues.

  • 28 LinkA229 attack helicopters. Adopted in 2016, these helicopters are the best which Almorea can deploy. Compared to the A129, they have better avionics and weapons systems, such as being equipped to carry Thunderbolt missiles from Athara magarat.

  • 19 LinkAgusta A129 attack helicopters. The Air Force has used this model since 1990, but many have been transferred to the control of the Army. These helicopters are mainly used for light patrol duties and would supplement the more powerful A229 models in combat.

  • 1 Lagartija helicopter. Made in Corindia. The Air Force bought one model in 2019 to test its capabilities, and may phase out the A129 in favor of the Lagartija by 2025.

  • 10 Matuasto transport helicopter. Corinidi-made.

  • 5 MRTT3 Iolaidh tanker transport. Designed by engineers in Noronica and Corindia, this aircraft has been used by the Air Force since 2012 to transport large quantities of troops and equipment for the other branches of the military. A sixth such aircraft crashed and exploded several years ago.

  • 41 LinkAvenger Air Defense System. Armed with heat-seeking surface-to-air missiles, these vehicles complement the Army's extensive anti-aircraft capability, and are used to guard Almorean shores against incoming hostile aircraft.

  • 7 HAR2 Corbeau recon aircraft. Made in Corindia.

  • 30 LinkEagle armored vehicles. Armed with light machine guns and used for transport and logistics duties, as well as by the Air Force's 150-man police unit.

  • 15 trainer planes of various makes and models

  • A drone fleet- in the past few years, the Air Force has invested over $400 million in buying and equipping attack and reconnaissance drones. The government has awarded a contract to Dynamo Industrial Solutions to produce small, Almorean-made drones equipped with antipersonnel shrapnel missiles.

Force concentrations

  • Trannsa District- 5000 personnel

  • Northern District- 3800 personnel

  • Central District- 3100 personnel

  • Southern District- 6000 personnel

  • AFHQ- 800 personnel

  • TOTAL- 18700 personnel

Read factbook

Many thanks to Corindia for extensive use of his tech once again. Please give me some feedback- does this look realistic, etc.

Buy some stuff from us as well.

nation=athara_magarat/detail=factbook/id=504940

Most of my stuff use Corindi armament and stuff. I don't know about other stuff in there but you should def buy the Half-Platoon Boats. I dunno but I think this is one of the few dispatches on the landing craft in the Isles.

page=dispatch/id=1020206

Athara magarat

This is one of the reasons why I don't like the politicians of my country

They promised way back that we would have Melamchi drinking water by 2006 BS (they had "started work" 11 - 12 years before). For a while I thought this was in the Gregorian calendar (and like it's not that bad). Then I realized the year is in BS.

https://i.redd.it/uolhxu9ici151.jpg

We are currently in the year 2077 BS and still no Melamchi. I live in a true sh!thole where politicians can promise anything, never do it and still get elected.

Balnik wrote:Challah?

Fancy bread: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challah

Segentova and Athara magarat

Athara magarat

Today is supposed to be Republic Day here. I know we are not the best place to live out there...but still a hundred times better than the monarchy. And dang, it's been 12 years since we became a republic. I feel very old now.

Dragao do mar and Doravo

Oh, I see how it is! Tell me to go post in II while you talk about AM here! :P

Athara magarat wrote:

Between 914 - 1914 (although more specific dates would have to be done depending on the location), the Khas-Kirat Empire (technically not an empire but a loose confederation) had these political states called "hangates" in almost every nation (in fact, it will be much easier to count the number of Isles nations that did not have a hangate...no joke). [...big chop!...] former colonies/territories (aka Domanania) or lands they used to raid for slaves and gold (aka Aizcona and Dormill-Stiura) rose in power.

So, since you ran over Domanania, how far into what's now Ioudaia did you get? 'cause I can use somebody to run over most of the country from ~1310 to ~1390, and you'll do as a villain. :)

Athara magarat

Almorea wrote:
The Almorean Air Force is led by the President, who is the constitutional commander-in-chief of all the military assets of the Almorean nation.

The President appoints a civilian Secretary of the Air Force to administer the Air Force on a day-to-day basis, and this official reports to the Secretary of War, who is the top civilian head of the Almorean military. The Air Chief Marshal, the Air Force's highest-ranking officer, leads Air Force General Headquarters (AFHQ).

The basic organization of the Air Force can be broken down as follows.

  • Air Force General Headquarters- the overall headquarters of the Air Force, as the name indicates. AFHQ manages all operational aspects of the Air Force and is responsible for military intelligence gathering, asset management, and the development of war plans.

  • Supply Command- led by an air vice marshal, and responsible for the Air Force's logistics: supplies, fuel, ammunition, and repairs.

  • Training Command- led by an air vice marshal; oversees the Airmen Training School, the Air Force Communications Academy, and the officers' Air Force Institute.

  • Trannsa District- led, as are the other districts, by an air marshal. Provides protection for the economically-vital provinces of Adashawnee and Baranor, and provides protection for Almorean and foreign VIPs, such as the President and foreign dignitaries.

  • Northern District- provides assets covering the northern provinces of Gavshin and Frasyrland, and operates the National Aerospace Tracking and Defense Command (NATDC).

  • Central District- provides assets covering the provinces of Roonmore, Talavora, and Warenne Island.

  • Southern District- provides assets covering the provinces of Queensland, Gray Hills, and New Arvan. The Southern District shares forces with Almorea's partners in the Raedlon Organization of States, Nhoor, Solaryia, and New totzka.

  • Air Force Reserve- a pool of 4,000 enlisted personnel, as well as 500 temporary volunteers drawn from the National Volunteer Corps, which provides short-term armed volunteers to supplement the Almorean military's domestic capability.

Equipment
The Air Force uses a variety of aircraft and other weaponry. Many Almorean warplanes are made in Corindia, while Noronica has also supplied technology. Almorean manufacturers are important to the Air Force, as they supply repair kits and spare parts for foreign-made fighter jets. To avoid having to purchase expensive licenses, the Almorean government encourages the Military Design Bureau (MDB), the military's development agency, to study and "borrow" foreign technology to provide workable models for domestic planes.

  • ROS fighter jet. Still in development, this plane is being built by Almorean technicians and experts from Nhoor and is expected to enter service in the early 2020s.

  • 40 MRF7 Águila. Built and outfitted by Corindi technicians, the Águila is Almorea's best fighter aircraft, and can effectively engage enemy air and ground assets. The government purchased 20 of these planes in 2015 and another 20 in 2018, for over $1 billion in total.

  • 17 GA2 Tarasque ground attack aircraft. Also a Corindi-built plane, the Air Force maintains a small fleet of them. Tarasque ground attack fighters used by the Air Force are equipped mainly with SEAD weaponry, and are intended to supplement the Army's mission of defending the homeland against ground invasion, as well as for use attacking enemy installations overseas.

  • 22 LinkTornado jets. Forty of these planes were bought by Almorean officials in the 1980s, but they have been phased out since 2010. In the present day, Almorea's fleet of Tornado fighter jets is equipped with air-to-air missiles and autocannons, giving them some capability in a dogfight, but many of the planes are plagued with mechanical issues.

  • 28 LinkA229 attack helicopters. Adopted in 2016, these helicopters are the best which Almorea can deploy. Compared to the A129, they have better avionics and weapons systems, such as being equipped to carry Thunderbolt missiles from Athara magarat.

  • 19 LinkAgusta A129 attack helicopters. The Air Force has used this model since 1990, but many have been transferred to the control of the Army. These helicopters are mainly used for light patrol duties and would supplement the more powerful A229 models in combat.

  • 1 Lagartija helicopter. Made in Corindia. The Air Force bought one model in 2019 to test its capabilities, and may phase out the A129 in favor of the Lagartija by 2025.

  • 10 Matuasto transport helicopter. Corinidi-made.

  • 5 MRTT3 Iolaidh tanker transport. Designed by engineers in Noronica and Corindia, this aircraft has been used by the Air Force since 2012 to transport large quantities of troops and equipment for the other branches of the military. A sixth such aircraft crashed and exploded several years ago.

  • 41 LinkAvenger Air Defense System. Armed with heat-seeking surface-to-air missiles, these vehicles complement the Army's extensive anti-aircraft capability, and are used to guard Almorean shores against incoming hostile aircraft.

  • 7 HAR2 Corbeau recon aircraft. Made in Corindia.

  • 30 LinkEagle armored vehicles. Armed with light machine guns and used for transport and logistics duties, as well as by the Air Force's 150-man police unit.

  • 15 trainer planes of various makes and models

  • A drone fleet- in the past few years, the Air Force has invested over $400 million in buying and equipping attack and reconnaissance drones. The government has awarded a contract to Dynamo Industrial Solutions to produce small, Almorean-made drones equipped with antipersonnel shrapnel missiles.

Force concentrations

  • Trannsa District- 5000 personnel

  • Northern District- 3800 personnel

  • Central District- 3100 personnel

  • Southern District- 6000 personnel

  • AFHQ- 800 personnel

  • TOTAL- 18700 personnel

Read factbook

Many thanks to Corindia for extensive use of his tech once again. Please give me some feedback- does this look realistic, etc.

I might need to muscle my way in there. You know, in the name of competition and fairness and everything.

Athara magarat, Corindia, Wellsia, and Almorea

Athara magarat

Ioudaia wrote:Oh, I see how it is! Tell me to go post in II while you talk about AM here! :P

So, since you ran over Domanania, how far into what's now Ioudaia did you get? 'cause I can use somebody to run over most of the country from ~1310 to ~1390, and you'll do as a villain. :)

Sure thing. Some info.

943: The Khas-Kirat Empire officially transitions from a unified nation (under First Mahang Srijunga and his adopted son Mabo) to a federation of four warring states. Dhan Kumari (who is just 13) is crowned Dhanusha Hangma of the Greater Ipachi Hangate (southeastern Vendriothos, northeastern San Montagna and Ktismandrasi). The second eldest Tara takes helm of the Mahakirat Hangate (northern Vendrithos and the Three Islands) as Tira Hangma. The third sister Kukee is renamed Kukri Hangma and placed on the throne of the Crimson Horde (southwestern Vendriothos and most of San Montagna). Mabo's widow Mgar (after whom the Mgar dynasty is named) takes her youngest child (two years old infant) Birsha (Banchari Hangma) to Domanania; which has been renamed to Tiwe Hangate by Khas-Kirati settlers. In sharp contrast to the infighting and political instability in the three elder states, Tiwe Hangate is relatively peaceful.

The three elder hangates are supposed to further collapse into more and more states with each succession crisis. So far, I had no plans to have Tiwe Hangate become balkanized like its sister states but yeah...we could have members of the Birsha line establish their own hangate south in your nation in Option 1. Or a whole new tribe come in Option 2.

Tell me which option you pick.

Athara magarat wrote:Mabo's widow Mgar (after whom the Mgar dynasty is named) takes her youngest child (two years old infant) Birsha (Banchari Hangma) to Domanania; which has been renamed to Tiwe Hangate by Khas-Kirati settlers. In sharp contrast to the infighting and political instability in the three elder states, Tiwe Hangate is relatively peaceful.

The three elder hangates are supposed to further collapse into more and more states with each succession crisis. So far, I had no plans to have Tiwe Hangate become balkanized like its sister states but yeah...we could have members of the Birsha line establish their own hangate south in your nation in Option 1.

So... my history notes have Ioudaia conquered by a succession of empires from 824-1399, with periods of autonomy and independence scattered throughout the period. Since I'd like to keep that, I think an attempt by Tiwe Hangate to expand southwards works fine, essentially Option 1. Tiwe Hangate would overrun the east coast easily -- it's nice and flat -- and pick up everything south of Chyrtiros as well. But the northwest is harder to take.

So, 80ish years of Tiwe Hangate rule followed by a revolt, and then the colonists get chased back across the old frontier (I've been using the current Ioudan-Doman border as an estimate of the historical frontier as well; tall mountains and wide rivers make good boundaries). How's that work for you?

Your dates otherwise work well for me, pending Domanania and I getting our histories working together.

Athara magarat

Athara magarat wrote:Buy some stuff from us as well.

nation=athara_magarat/detail=factbook/id=504940

Most of my stuff use Corindi armament and stuff. I don't know about other stuff in there but you should def buy the Half-Platoon Boats. I dunno but I think this is one of the few dispatches on the landing craft in the Isles.

page=dispatch/id=1020206

What is the platoon boat based off?

Athara magarat

Keomora wrote:What is the platoon boat based off?

https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/bk-16-high-speed-landing-craft/

Athara magarat

Ioudaia wrote:So... my history notes have Ioudaia conquered by a succession of empires from 824-1399, with periods of autonomy and independence scattered throughout the period. Since I'd like to keep that, I think an attempt by Tiwe Hangate to expand southwards works fine, essentially Option 1. Tiwe Hangate would overrun the east coast easily -- it's nice and flat -- and pick up everything south of Chyrtiros as well. But the northwest is harder to take.

So, 80ish years of Tiwe Hangate rule followed by a revolt, and then the colonists get chased back across the old frontier (I've been using the current Ioudan-Doman border as an estimate of the historical frontier as well; tall mountains and wide rivers make good boundaries). How's that work for you?

Your dates otherwise work well for me, pending Domanania and I getting our histories working together.

If you read Domanania's history dispatch, Kirati-rule officially ended in 1095 with the Liberation Wars and the last Kirati settlements were integrated into Doman nation by 1300s.

nation=domanania/detail=factbook/id=739706

Perhaps, they could have been Tiwe Hangate remnants fleeing across the border (but yeah...they possibly tried to take over in earlier times but failed)?

The Khas-Kiratis were able to take over Domanania rapidly because they had one thing the Domans did not: horses. After 200 years of Kirati rule, the Domans grew tired of having their sons drafted to fight wars for some bumf@ck hang of bumf@ckistan hangate since the Tiwe hangs promised to help their cousins/allies in wars (so yeah...not even Tiwe Hangate's wars). And by this time, we all know that the Khas-Kirat Empire had dissolved into warring hangates (unlike the unified nation that conquered Domanania). Sure there were still a few invasions of Domanania (and you by proxy) here and there by hangs seeking glory in battlefield, but they all failed for obvious reasons (no unity, hangs trying to out-do each other, some hangs even having royal marriages with the Doman Emperors and smaller tribes actually needed a good place to raid). The "later invasions" were more like annoying raids by any Khas-Kirati lord who could gather some boats and men to loot Doman (and possibly your) lands.

Relevant meme: https://i.imgur.com/y1oSRnE.jpg

Domanania, Ioudaia, and Dragao do mar

Athara magarat wrote:

Perhaps, they could have been Tiwe Hangate remnants fleeing across the border?

That actually works well, and explains their relative weakness. So, let me try some variations on that idea, each lengthening the time Tiwe Hangate and/or its successor holds parts of Ioudaia.

1) They flee south just as Domanania absorbs the last Hangate areas. Since they'd be conquering areas held by another empire, itself weakening, it's even possible some of them would have been initially welcomed as liberators.

2) I can also move the initial conquest earlier; that date doesn't matter too much, since it exchanges one foreign ruler for another. So, a century or more of weak Tiwe Hangate rule, starting as early 1260s, as the remnants of the once-mighty Tiwe Hangate are chased southwards. Otherwise the same as 1).

Or, 3) The Tiwe Hangate held a piece of what's now NE Ioudaia along the current border (a fertile river valley) much longer, and then they tried their luck expanding as the last parts of the former Hangate north of the river were absorbed by Domanania and refugees were chased southwards.

Any of those work?

Athara magarat wrote:The Khas-Kiratis were able to take over Domanania rapidly because they had one thing the Domans did not: horses. [...]

This works as well. Ioudaia never had many good horses, but we did have some, so we'd have some idea about fighting on and against horses.

Domanania and Athara magarat

Athara magarat

Ioudaia wrote:That actually works well, and explains their relative weakness. So, let me try some variations on that idea, each lengthening the time Tiwe Hangate and/or its successor holds parts of Ioudaia.

1) They flee south just as Domanania absorbs the last Hangate areas. Since they'd be conquering areas held by another empire, itself weakening, it's even possible some of them would have been initially welcomed as liberators.

2) I can also move the initial conquest earlier; that date doesn't matter too much, since it exchanges one foreign ruler for another. So, a century or more of weak Tiwe Hangate rule, starting as early 1260s, as the remnants of the once-mighty Tiwe Hangate are chased southwards. Otherwise the same as 1).

Or, 3) The Tiwe Hangate held a piece of what's now NE Ioudaia along the current border (a fertile river valley) much longer, and then they tried their luck expanding as the last parts of the former Hangate north of the river were absorbed by Domanania and refugees were chased southwards.

Any of those work?

This works as well. Ioudaia never had many good horses, but we did have some, so we'd have some idea about fighting on and against horses.

Cool. I will take Option 3.

Wellsia wrote:What is the value of the fer? How is it subdivided?

A Fer is basically 1 pound though I always thought of having a nation with an actual metal currency based off of the standard price that amount of metal would be but it seems like an illogical waist of precious metals

Gonna heat up Gael soon.

Havalland wrote:A Fer is basically 1 pound though I always thought of having a nation with an actual metal currency based off of the standard price that amount of metal would be but it seems like an illogical waist of precious metals

So using today values the Fer would equal $1.23US. Is it a decimal money divided into 100 pennies and if so do you use modern British divisions: Coin: half-penny, penny, 2 pence, 5 pence, 10 pence, 20 pence, 50 pence, 1 fer, 2 fer
Bank notes: 5 fer, 10 fer, 20 fer, 50 fer.?

Wellsia wrote:So using today values the Fer would equal $1.23US. Is it a decimal money divided into 100 pennies and if so do you use modern British divisions: Coin: half-penny, penny, 2 pence, 5 pence, 10 pence, 20 pence, 50 pence, 1 fer, 2 fer
Bank notes: 5 fer, 10 fer, 20 fer, 50 fer.?

Yeah but maybe only as low as five pence because I like going by fives, might name it something else instead of pence.
Fer is similar to fur or a pelt so it would have something to do with trading.
Other than that yeah you hit the nail on the head

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