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Greetings all. Your friend is here. It is I jak!

The cascade regions and Hulldom

Greetings! How do you do?

Greetings and welcome to all our new residents!

Sainoland, San guglielmo, and Hafenburg

Laurennia wrote:Greetings and welcome to all our new residents!

Thank you! I just didn't like the constant spam of The NP, here's much more calmer.

trying to focus on Social Conservatism and Scientific Advancement :)

Laurennia, Tavalo, Izimash, Hulldom, and 3 othersSainoland, Pinkification, and Mishu

Let’s keep up the good work so far, folks!

Khairen, Laurennia, Tavalo, The cascade regions, and 2 othersIzimash, and Sainoland

Sainoland

I'm joining the facking liberal democrats

im new how do you get lots of people

Sainoland wrote:I'm joining the facking liberal democrats

Join the Discord Server to dig in on that

Laurennia and Sanchee

Suctoria wrote:im new how do you get lots of people

Recruiting telegrams work like a charm.

Cheesecakeastan, San guglielmo, and Sanchee

Pinkification

Hulldom wrote:Recruiting telegrams work like a charm.

If only.

San guglielmo

Hulldom wrote:Recruiting telegrams work like a charm.

YES.

Ascenthia doubled in size these past three days!

Cheesecakeastan, Laurennia, Hulldom, Pinkification, and 1 otherSanchee

Everybody who can should join the WA!

Laurennia, Hulldom, and Pinkification

The current embassy provision that prohibits forming embassies with "extremists" and communists is arbitrary and prohibits growth and necessary diplomacy to the region. Having open dialogue and diplomacy with leftist regions can help to facilitate more immigration and increased culture in the region. Not only this but to newcomers, this provision misrepresents the region as a whole. The word extremist is inherently both arbitrary and relative. To me free-market capitalists are extremists. To authoritarians, liberal democracy is extreme. This is even worse given that the language is "any ideology we deem extremists" so that could be just about anything.

The neolvex federation, Laurennia, Pinkification, and Totally not evile

Pinkification

Sanchee wrote:The current embassy provision that prohibits forming embassies with "extremists" and communists is arbitrary and prohibits growth and necessary diplomacy to the region. Having open dialogue and diplomacy with leftist regions can help to facilitate more immigration and increased culture in the region. Not only this but to newcomers, this provision misrepresents the region as a whole. The word extremist is inherently both arbitrary and relative. To me free-market capitalists are extremists. To authoritarians, liberal democracy is extreme. This is even worse given that the language is "any ideology we deem extremists" so that could be just about anything.

I refuse to conduct diplomacy with fascist regions because they are toxic. Same with Nazi regions. If I'm going to refuse to build embassies with them due to their toxicity, why shouldn't I do the same for communist regions? They're just as cancerous, from my experiences; I wouldn't want their people coming here (just as I wouldn't want Nazis coming here), they wouldn't get along with our populous for the most part, either way. The ambiguity of the term extremist exists only to encompass other hateful ideologies if they intend to pursue relations with us; ideologies such as conventism. Trying to think of every possible ideology, especially when ideologies can so easily be fabricated or renamed, is an exercise in futility. Though, it should be noted that there's nothing legally binding about our embassy requirements; they're just an informal formal expression of our Ministry of Diplomacy's FA policy.

Laurennia, Sainoland, and Tergestina terra

Sanchee

Pinkification wrote:I refuse to conduct diplomacy with fascist regions because they are toxic. Same with Nazi regions. If I'm going to refuse to build embassies with them due to their toxicity, why shouldn't I do the same for communist regions? They're just as cancerous, from my experiences; I wouldn't want their people coming here (just as I wouldn't want Nazis coming here), they wouldn't get along with our populous for the most part, either way. The ambiguity of the term extremist exists only to encompass other hateful ideologies if they intend to pursue relations with us; ideologies such as conventism. Trying to think of every possible ideology, especially when ideologies can so easily be fabricated or renamed, is an exercise in futility. Though, it should be noted that there's nothing legally binding about our embassy requirements; they're just an informal formal expression of our Ministry of Diplomacy's FA policy.

I agree on nazis and fascists. Your experience with communist regions is not enough to have an embassy requirement prohibiting a large portion of the NS community. Many of our own citizens self-identify as communists. There are tons of communist regions that are perfectly fine, just as their are many "centrist" or liberal regions that are super toxic. I understand the use of extremist, but I think that it would be better to just limit out hateful ideologies. And i understand that it isn't legally binding but i think that sends a message to the interregional community about our region that isnt true. And why have a formal guideline if it doesn't matter?

Laurennia, Pinkification, and Totally not evile

Pinkification

Sanchee wrote:
I agree on nazis and fascists. Your experience with communist regions is not enough to have an embassy requirement prohibiting a large portion of the NS community. Many of our own citizens self-identify as communists. There are tons of communist regions that are perfectly fine, just as their are many "centrist" or liberal regions that are super toxic. I understand the use of extremist, but I think that it would be better to just limit out hateful ideologies. And i understand that it isn't legally binding but i think that sends a message to the interregional community about our region that isnt true. And why have a formal guideline if it doesn't matter?

I don't think I implied that it doesn't matter; it simply isn't binding, it isn't law. Which perhaps isn't relevant. The point is that it's essentially a matter of policy (something that isn't always 100%; policy can be malleable at times if it isn't perfectly enshrined in law). I understand what you're saying about the subjectivity of it, however.

How about this. Instead of blanket identifying ideologies that we don't want relations with, we just say toxic regions and investigate anyone who applies for embassies to see whether or not their community is toxic? If we do that, we can provide some justification for the rejection to said region when they apply. Is that too ambiguous?

Laurennia, Hulldom, Sanchee, and Tergestina terra

Pinkification wrote:I don't think I implied that it doesn't matter; it simply isn't binding, it isn't law. Which perhaps isn't relevant. The point is that it's essentially a matter of policy (something that isn't always 100%; policy can be malleable at times if it isn't perfectly enshrined in law). I understand what you're saying about the subjectivity of it, however.

How about this. Instead of blanket identifying ideologies that we don't want relations with, we just say toxic regions and investigate anyone who applies for embassies to see whether or not their community is toxic? If we do that, we can provide some justification for the rejection to said region when they apply. Is that too ambiguous?

yeah thats good; i think ambiguity is good in this situation as it allows the FA ministry to deal with things on a case by case basis

Laurennia and Pinkification

Totally not evile

"We will not accept relations with any regions who are fascist, community, or any other ideology we deem extremist."

I more disagree with the community part, we don't want any regions with communities!! community bad

Tergestina terra

Pinkification wrote:
I don't think I implied that it doesn't matter; it simply isn't binding, it isn't law. Which perhaps isn't relevant. The point is that it's essentially a matter of policy (something that isn't always 100%; policy can be malleable at times if it isn't perfectly enshrined in law). I understand what you're saying about the subjectivity of it, however.

How about this. Instead of blanket identifying ideologies that we don't want relations with, we just say toxic regions and investigate anyone who applies for embassies to see whether or not their community is toxic? If we do that, we can provide some justification for the rejection to said region when they apply. Is that too ambiguous?

I absolutely agree with you, well said!

Laurennia, Pinkification, and Eastern galaxies

Sainoland

Sanchee wrote:
I agree on nazis and fascists. Your experience with communist regions is not enough to have an embassy requirement prohibiting a large portion of the NS community. Many of our own citizens self-identify as communists. There are tons of communist regions that are perfectly fine, just as their are many "centrist" or liberal regions that are super toxic. I understand the use of extremist, but I think that it would be better to just limit out hateful ideologies. And i understand that it isn't legally binding but i think that sends a message to the interregional community about our region that isnt true. And why have a formal guideline if it doesn't matter?

Sensing a double standard here. Somehow you agree with the fascist part, but not the communist one?
You're only saying that being left wing yourself *shrug*

Dependants

Sainoland wrote:I'm joining the facking liberal democrats

libtard ☆〜(ゝ。∂)

Dependants, Sainoland, and Pinkification

Laurennia wrote:libtard ☆〜(ゝ。∂)

Have been and always will be.

Dependants, Laurennia, and Pinkification

Sainoland wrote:Sensing a double standard here. Somehow you agree with the fascist part, but not the communist one?
You're only saying that being left wing yourself *shrug*

Fascist and Nazi regions are inherently oppressive and authoritarian

Dependants

Screw this, "oh lets ban this and that" lets just play NS as it is and treat it as it is: a crap game that shouldn't be taken seriously.

Sainoland and Eastern galaxies

Hi this is evile, I don't know who Totally not evile is.

Dependants, Laurennia, and Totally not evile

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