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The New Nordic Union wrote:Yeah and I was saying that since his money, which he 'avoids' taxes on, is not fairly earned, and as such he should not be praised for trying and succeeding to keep it

if I sell you a product and you pay for it, its fairly earned, that's all amazon does, it sells you products made by other companies under its logo

Libertandonien wrote:Isn't healthcare partly government and partly private?

The point is, we shouldn't privatize public services

The most important thing is that it's accessible and cheap (i.e. universal) it doesn't have to be entirely public-funded if that works :P

South Koreans have access to a universal healthcare safety net, although a significant portion of healthcare is privately funded. In 2015, South Korea ranked first in the OECD for healthcare access. Satisfaction of healthcare has been consistently among the highest in the world – South Korea was rated as the second most efficient healthcare system by Bloomberg.

Loendersteer, The New Nordic Union, Rivierenland, Libertandonien, and 1 otherDrew Durrnil

Dehlk wrote:if I sell you a product and you pay for it, its fairly earned, that's all amazon does, it sells you products made by other companies under its logo

Yeah and if the money is then delivered by your wage-slave whom you pay very little and still charge me for delivery, it is not fairly earned. That's the thing, lowering ''costs'' that hurts others to increase you personal gain is not fairly earned, even if the price the consumer buying from the company pays might be appropriate.

Libertandonien wrote:But the government also consist of people
Also, a private industry can then determines themselves, how much they wanna help. They could just randomly decide to make the quality worse or more expensive, to make more money

its in their best interest to make better quality and less expensive options, its called market competition

Viktorias wrote:Governments are the people. I don't know if you ever saw the leviathan theory by Hobbes, but shortly the leviathan is an huge, enormous beast that rules everyone, but is composed by the same people it rules. Keep in mind that Hobbes wrote that thinking of an absolute monarchy, so it even makes more sense with a democracy. If you feel that the government waste money or is corrupted, ask yourself why they're voted in the first place.

sadly I agree with you, but the mainstream political parties have gotten everything they want by deceiving masses of people who don't look into it and just do what the parties want.

Libertandonien

Dehlk wrote:its in their best interest to make better quality and less expensive options, its called market competition
sadly I agree with you, but the mainstream political parties have gotten everything they want by deceiving masses of people who don't look into it and just do what the parties want.

What if they buy their way through and make a monopoly? What are you then supposed to do, if there's no alternative?

Dehlk wrote:its in their best interest to make better quality and less expensive options, its called market competition

Yes but in things that are necessary for survival or meaningful access to society, competition/market rules should not come into play, because coverage and access of the whole population is the important factor here

See also: Cost of Insulin in the US vs other countries

The New Nordic Union wrote:Yeah and if the money is then delivered by your wage-slave whom you pay very little and still charge me for delivery, it is not fairly earned. That's the thing, lowering ''costs'' that hurts others to increase you personal gain is not fairly earned, even if the price the consumer buying from the company pays might be appropriate.

they agree to get paid that when they take the job, they could walk away, be hired elsewhere, create their own company, or many other things, its not slavery, you can quit whenever you want. If its a mutual trade, its an earned thing.

Dehlk wrote:
with all the money you give to the government, you could pay for better service yourself instead of money getting wasted in a beuracracy
how is he exploiting people, its a business, if you don't like it, don't buy from his site, boycott it, he's not putting a gun to your head to force you to buy from him
well, it looks like you don't realize that most of the little kids I know know more than some adults, because they actually find out and do research instead of stating ¨im an adult so I'm right¨ type of BS
the government wastes the money that goes through it, its true that it helps people, but private individuals could do a much better job with it

If private individuals could do a better job then why don't they?

Jeff Bezos has 196.4 billion USD, that is such a large amount of money that rivals government treasuries, it is an incomprehensible amount of money all controlled by a single individual
Jeff Bezos could afford some the world's best working conditions and still have so much money he couldn't spent it all if he wanted to, but does he do that?

No he doesn't
-Workers aren't allowed to take bathroom breaks while on shifts, often 12-hour shift, so the employees are left to piss in bottles at their working stations or risk developing bladder problems because holding in pee for over 6 hours long term is super unhealthy and damaging
-Average pay for an Amazon employee is 15 USD an hour, which still isn't classified to be a living wage, most especially for families in the United States
-Cracking down on unions and coercing employees to vote against unionisation with threats of firings and relocating their workplaces
-In November 2016 a BBC undercover report at Amazon's delivery depot in Avonmouth found that in some instances delivery drivers had no choice but to break the speed limit and use their van as a toilet to save time. It also exposed that after deductions (such as van hire and insurance) drivers could be paid as little as £2.59 per hour, less than half the UK minimum wage
-Firing an employee for demanding a warehouse be closed to be disinfected because letting people work while a disease is present within their workplace is sexy to Bezos

This is just a few things to mention about Amazon, this excludes so many things about Amazon and other companies like Facebook who placed sh*tty contracts on the employees who need therapy after moderating facebook content

The rich don't care about you nor about your welfare, they only care about money and any humanity found in these companies are because of government regulation

Libertandonien wrote:What if they buy their way through and make a monopoly? What are you then supposed to do, if there's no alternative?

create your own company and create market competiton

Dehlk wrote:they agree to get paid that when they take the job, they could walk away, be hired elsewhere, create their own company, or many other things, its not slavery, you can quit whenever you want. If its a mutual trade, its an earned thing.

If you really believe that it is so easy, then I can't help you.
Hint: Walking away from the only source of income whatsoever for the possibility of finding better employment elsewhere is not feasible for a large portion of the population, especially those in low-paying jobs.

Dehlk wrote:create your own company and create market competiton

you cant bcus you will be priced out or bought up by the monopoly. Just look at luxotica they bought out oakley after almost bankrupting the company

Dehlk wrote:sadly I agree with you, but the mainstream political parties have gotten everything they want by deceiving masses of people who don't look into it and just do what the parties want.

Therefore, how can you say that private people helping each other will be better? Wouldn't it mean that more people can deceive others, as it already happens? Governments can be corrupted, but they're a tool to regulate life and have balance between all the actors in a state/nation: a tool can be used in a good or a bad way, the only difference is how you use it. There is no perfect solution for politics, that's an hard lesson to keep in mind.

Libertandonien

Dehlk wrote:create your own company and create market competiton

https://en.meming.world/images/en/8/82/My_Goodness_What_an_Idea.jpg

"Amazon is one of the companies "potentially directly or indirectly benefiting" from forced Uighur labor according to a report by Australian Strategic Policy Institute.[106]"
Westerners who scream genocide in China is bad while buying from Amazon are hypocrites

Republic of Satherland wrote:I've seen 12yos here argue for literal fascism without any idea that they were basically championing Nazi ideals, and many other causes rivalling in stupidity. I return for a minute only to find a kid thinking that Jeff Bezos is a role model for cheating his country out of sorely needed tax revenue even though he's the richest man on Earth, arguing that he "earned" the money, forgetting that he's earning it off the abysmal working conditions of minimum wage workers whose wages haven't risen in a decade despite growing inflation, and have to survive on food stamps even though they work 50 hours a week, while Bezos hoards his billions made from literal blood and is praised as a genius by a kid

best take I've seen all week

Dehlk wrote:the government wastes the money that goes through it, its true that it helps people, but private individuals could do a much better job with it

This would be the worst take I've seen all week but I've seen a far-right on this RMB and a white supremacist in the forums.

The new mexican confederation

Laver Island wrote:"Amazon is one of the companies "potentially directly or indirectly benefiting" from forced Uighur labor according to a report by Australian Strategic Policy Institute.[106]"
Westerners who scream genocide in China is bad while buying from Amazon are hypocrites

To be fair that's like saying people who dislike capitalism and buy things from Apple or Walmart are hypocrites.

The new mexican confederation wrote:To be fair that's like saying people who dislike capitalism and buy things from Apple or Walmart are hypocrites.

You're forced to partake in Capitalism, you're not forced to buy from a company benefiting from genocide

Sicilian imperial-capitalist empire, Yahlia, St Scarlett, Rivierenland, and 3 othersEco-Paris Reformation, Drew Durrnil, and The new mexican confederation

The New Nordic Union wrote:Yes but in things that are necessary for survival or meaningful access to society, competition/market rules should not come into play, because coverage and access of the whole population is the important factor here

See also: Cost of Insulin in the US vs other countries

wanna know why its so high? the government regulations and extortion
[quote=laver_island;43549887]If private individuals could do a better job then why don't they?/quote]

they do, ever heard of Gates and other rich people giving away their fortunes? you should stereotype all rich people as greedy and horrible just because of one person *ahem* Bezos

The Oriental Empire wrote:Not "great" br*tain
They've never had a good Eurovision song these past 20 years or so

I hear France hasn't been doing too well either hmm, allies in war, allies in ESC it would seem

Anskerdank wrote:I hear France hasn't been doing too well either hmm, allies in war, allies in ESC it would seem

France are one of the favourites to win this year.

also, some of their past entries this decade were pretty fine (the entries from 2016 and onwards of course, not talking about their entries between 2011 and 2015)

Berlin and potsdam

amazon is dumbest buissness ever cya

Libertandonien

Dehlk wrote:wanna know why its so high? the government regulations and extortion
[quote=laver_island;43549887]If private individuals could do a better job then why don't they?/quote]

they do, ever heard of Gates and other rich people giving away their fortunes? you should stereotype all rich people as greedy and horrible just because of one person *ahem* Bezos

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ER1v46aUwAMo6JY?format=jpg&name=small

Rivierenland wrote:France are one of the favourites to win this year.

also, some of their past entries this decade were pretty fine (the entries from 2016 and onwards of course, not talking about their entries between 2011 and 2015)

This year, yeah. But the UK has sent some good songs too in the past 20 years, so I was just responding to Orient's (uncalled for) attack in a similar manner

The new mexican confederation

Laver Island wrote:You're forced to partake in Capitalism, you're not forced to buy from a company benefiting from genocide

Alright that's fair, but you also have to remember the common man/woman protesting against the Uyghur treatment probably don't know about Amazon benefitting from the horrible treatments and labor, so they are more clueless than hypocrites if anything.

Dehlk wrote:wanna know why its so high? the government regulations and extortion

No, it's because Americans are inherently selfish

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