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The article above debunked in one post:
1. The first, and the most important point in the article has a problem with the following section of the New Constitution:
The Emperor retains the sole executive powers in the Region of the New Western Empire, as understood by the physical representation of it. These executive powers are faintly limited to appointing the necessary regional officers as elected by the Citizens.
The Royalist Imperial Party makes a case that this paragraph is disrespectful of the Emperor, as it seeks to limit his power.
This is false and an example of the RIP's ignorance. Despite making constructive criticism, they have missed a certain fact: The very same passage can be found in Section II of the Third Article of the Current Constituion:
The Emperor shall retain sole executive powers. These executive powers are faintly limited to appointing the necessary regional officers as elected by the citizens.
The change is minimal, and like the rest of the Constitution, is here to clear out the confusion. The meaning stays the same. As such, the RIP's argument is void.
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2. The second argument attacks this section:
The Electoral Commission consists of the Head of the Electoral Commission, who is the Emperor, the Deputy Head of the Electoral Commission who is appointed by the Prime Minister and the Members of the Electoral Commision, which are appointed by the current recognized political parties, one each.
The RIP's reasoning: It requires one person from every party, when the EC should be bipartisan. Meaning that having the most opposing parties working together will greatly reduce influence from a certain single party as they will always have to find common ground through compromise.
That statement makes absolutely no sense. Bipartisanship, as understood by the dictionary, means with input from two sides. The statement then proceeds to talk about multiple parties (???) and apparently states that having multiple parties work together will greatly reduce the influence of the dominant party and creates the need to find common ground. I personally could not think of greater words of approval for the Constitution and I do not know why this is included in a critique.
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3. Point three, just as point one, critiques a list of requirements for party recognition. Sadly for the author, it is an exact copy of the current system that the author seeks to uphold.
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4. There is a critique of a lack of term limits in the Constitution. Term limits are often a point of friction where everybody disagrees about how the system should look like. As such, we have left over the term limits to be decided through Legislative Resolutions or future Constitutional Amendments. The lack of term limits is not a problem in a NationStates-setting by itself - but we would like to leave this debate for later.
The author himself admits that the other parts of the proposed Constitution are well-made. As such, the benefits outweigh the 'mistakes' by a wide margin. The conclusion! VOTE YES!
I'm gonna go against party disciplines and vote "No" on the new constitution. I don't see anything wrong with the current one we have.
United Soviet States of Russian Empire, Tyranogorgon, and The dependants
I am going to stop you right there, i DO NOT care if what i am criticizing is present in the current constitution, because I have disagreed with them in the first place, and letting them go on in the new one, that I cannot do.
1) The Emperor's power is already very limited as it is, and you people clearly support this to go on, how do you want me to agree on this new constitution?
2) Bipartisanship as per dictionary means "agreement or cooperation between two political parties that usually oppose each other's policies." Do not try to twist my words, you know very well what I meant. I am saying that two parties of OPPOSING sides working together will greatly reduce them trying to do things only in their favor, as they will always have to seek compromise.
3) I do not seek to uphold the current system, I seek to change it for the best, however your change is for the worst. So I will not support this.
4) Exactly, as I pointed out, if we go by what you agree, it means the Senate will be those who control term limits, and that can result in heavy corruption. They should be set already somewhere.
And please do not try to turn the only plus i have given you in your favor. All I said is that the rest are fair and it's clean, not that this constitution is good, as the things that are bad are too major for them to be outweighed.
Be reasonable, vote no. The region NEEDS change, but this ain't it chief.
Heisenbee, Ormantum, United Soviet States of Russian Empire, Mukolayiv, and 4 othersMarinne, Corsoaua, Secular Soverign Republics, and The dependants
1) The Emperor is the single most powerful individual in the region. He can:
a. declare a state of emergency
b. officiate all elections and referendums
c. cut the Cabinet's term by calling a snap election
d. overrule the decisions of the Cabinet
e. declare which parties are and are not recognized
f. revoke citizenship or residency at will
g. create or redefine Departments
h. waive the citizenship requirement
i. veto all the treaties of the Region
j. introduce amendments to the popular vote by himself
k. appoint the Senate Clerk
l. control the in-game region page
m. he also has a lot of informal power
This is an absurd amount of power, especially for a [...]non-partisan non-government supervisor and the mediator between the branches of government. (Article III, Section I), who is also unelected and has no checks and balances on him. This means that he effectively has 100% of the control, as he can remove political rivals, dissolve cabinets, stall the foreign relations and bring the region to a halt.
No other official, especially elected, has that much unchecked power. Expanding it as you propose is a road to totalitarianism.
2) It still does not make sense. Why two parties when we have many more than two? All the parties surely are better than one and ensure an independent, fair election. Limiting the representation to two arbitrarily chosen parties makes absolutely no sense.
3) If you define change for the best as an ever-increasing concentration of power to an unelected individual, then indeed this draft is a change for the worst. And I am proud of it.
4) You are free to introduce a constitutional amendment establishing term limits. Under the current system, the Senate establishes term limits. If not the Senate - who should? I think that I already know your answer and I do not like it at all.
Vote yes, for a strong, fair democracy of checks and balances, without government-state warfare! Vote no and Angea will turn this beautiful region into a totalitarian autocracy!
The entire point of NS is to have fun not introduce irl politics, this is exactly why this region is doing so awful, and shall it go down this path more, it will become even more awful. Totalitarian, democracy? Do these words even mean anything here on NationStates? This entire government solely exists to be entertaining and solely because Joseph wants to run it, technically, he holds all the power already. I'm not here to act like a real life politician, I'm here to have fun, I'm sure everyone is.
Point being, make things Interesting, nothing was interesting ever since the NWA got dissolved. And since you said that "the change is minimal" it means things aren't any better if this passes.
This is the very reason I made RIP stand out so much, because keeping everything moderate is full of overbearing boredom. What do you think I'm some imperialist irl? Hell no, this is all for fun, I am doing this for fun. Like you all should.
As one final message, okay, if this passes then it passes. I'll check up on it in 1-3 months to see if this place has improved in any way, which I doubt it will.
Heisenbee, Ormantum, United Soviet States of Russian Empire, Tobosarsk, and 2 othersSecular Soverign Republics, and The dependants
"This ain't it chief" lmaooooo
United Soviet States of Russian Empire and The dependants
A reason to vote against the constitution:
The constitution wants to limit imperial power and increase bipartisanship. Obviously I won't be affected in any way because I have close to no chances to be elected but I will nonetheless speak out against this new constitution.
Firstly, the limitation of imperial power.
In the real life, imperialism usually ends in national collapse and subsequent invasion by foreign powers. In NationStates, this is not the case, so there is no reason to limit imperial power. In NationStates you cannot torture nations, conduct house raids, and cannot suppress private communications.
Making Joseph a tool just to elect and remove political officers is quite disrespectful. He is, indeed, the founder and person that led the country from the start.
Second, bipartisanism
Ever drank orange-milk? Ever saw Conservative-Liberal co-operation?
They want compromises, compromistitution, compromisation. Compromise = an agreement that leaves both parties disgruntled.
You put orange juice and milk together into a cup and drink it. Does it taste good? No.
You put liberals and conservatives together and make them cooperate. Do they produce good results? No.
Bipartisanism is dumb.
Heisenbee, United Soviet States of Russian Empire, Banana man154, and The dependants
I suppose this is a good excuse to get my monthly RMB post out of the way.
Ormantum, Ostermeer, United Soviet States of Russian Empire, Mukolayiv, and 3 othersBanana man154, Tyranogorgon, and The dependants
Requires two thirds rather than a simple majority to pass, so in reality "no" is winning by a larger margin.
Thornian, Corsoaua, and The dependants
As a citizen, I do not support a new constitution
As the Chief Justice, This constitution is absolutely stupid. The sheer idea of some of these concepts are the most ludicrous I have seen in my many years of NS (10 years). Some of the powers that have disappeared from the emperor, and some of the powers given to the rest of the government will create in an imbalance.
I’m not gonna comment to any replies, Have a great day yall
Corsoaua and The dependants
ur mum
Corsoaua and The dependants
She's dead
Corsoaua and The dependants
Citizens have the right to voice their opinion. We don’t have to wait for you to ask us to share our views.
Thornian, Marinne, Corsoaua, and The dependants
I remember when Bananaman was new, and he still is kinda new to me
Aderakin, United Soviet States of Russian Empire, and The dependants
hi vote no on this proposal for a new constitution. the whole point of this current governmental setup is that it's a monarchy, josephtan has done well there's no reason to change, and lastly, if one has to engage in fearmongering and demagoguery that's a fair indicator that you shouldn't vote for something
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