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Gothic Vandelia wrote:That isn't true. Cybrans D-day landing worked fine and Kaiserin Elisa won several battles against emperor Joshua.

The Reich lost in the end since the whole mess made the people loose confidence in the ruling family and their empire faded. Always the danger when you rely too much on a personality cult.

Exactly. But the church lasts forever.

Gothic Vandelia wrote:That isn't true. Cybrans D-day landing worked fine and Kaiserin Elisa won several battles against emperor Joshua.

The Reich lost in the end since the whole mess made the people loose confidence in the ruling family and their empire faded. Always the danger when you rely too much on a personality cult.

They never defeated Elisa, they kinda defeated themselves.

Gothic Vandelia wrote:She won a battle. The war itself had way more nations involved and the Sömmarland theater was one of the smaller.

That is still good but there are a difference between a war and a battle. I do find it amusing that you and Cybran were on the same side, even if it was unwilling from both of you.

I wish I had saved the TG's of Rothaland practically begging me to switch sides.

Anacodia wrote:I wish I had saved the TG's of Rothaland practically begging me to switch sides.

Yeah ok.

I’m all for rp sh*ttalk, but don’t make stuff up that make me look bad.

Ionalands wrote:Yeah ok.

I’m all for rp sh*ttalk, but don’t make stuff up that make me look bad.

Yeah im not making it up. before I asked you to join the ILSN, back when the conflict first started, we exchanged several tgs of you asking me to switch sides to help you, even though the rest of the ILSN didnt trust you.

I do have the ones I sent saved. You had offered an alliance, protection, and if memory serves free weapons if I helped you.

Anacodia wrote:Yeah im not making it up. before I asked you to join the ILSN, back when the conflict first started, we exchanged several tgs of you asking me to switch sides to help you, even though the rest of the ILSN didnt trust you.

Yeah, I negotiated with you, the whole thing fell apart because neither of us were willing to compromise on certain things. I wasn’t some desperate loser.

Dredging up old tgs to try and embarrass me is rather petty and mean-spirited. I’d rather just keep our conflict inside of rp, and using private conversations to mock me go well beyond rp.

"Listen, I am willing to offer a collateral to prove my loyalty. I will put Sænt Hannrik on the line, if I betray you, it’s yours."

-Rothaland.

Good thing I quoted the TG's when discussing it with my other allies at the time

Anacodia wrote:"Listen, I am willing to offer a collateral to prove my loyalty. I will put Sænt Hannrik on the line, if I betray you, it’s yours."

-Rothaland.

Good thing I quoted the TG's when discussing it with my other allies at the time

Holy crap.

Dude, I said I wanted to keep private conversations private.

Wtf is your problem.

Ionalands wrote:Yeah, I negotiated with you, the whole thing fell apart because neither of us were willing to compromise on certain things. I wasn’t some desperate loser.

Dredging up old tgs to try and embarrass me is rather petty and mean-spirited. I’d rather just keep our conflict inside of rp, and using private conversations to mock me go well beyond rp.

As far as I was aware, those were IC negotiations.

Anacodia wrote:Yeah im not making it up. before I asked you to join the ILSN, back when the conflict first started, we exchanged several tgs of you asking me to switch sides to help you, even though the rest of the ILSN didnt trust you.

What? They didn't trust Astrid?

Ionalands wrote:Holy crap.

Dude, I said I wanted to keep private conversations private.

Wtf is your problem.

There is nothing to be ashamed of in needing help badly.

Gothic Vandelia wrote:What? They didn't trust Astrid?

Shocking I know, and now in hindsight, they had good reason

Anacodia wrote: As far as I was aware, those were IC negotiations.

It is still considered a political faux pax to quote private discussions. Then again, the diplomatic status with you and Rothaland isn't exactly marvelous at the moment.

Anacodia wrote: As far as I was aware, those were IC negotiations.

If I wanted everyone to see our negotiations I would’ve had them on the rmb or the forum, they were private conversations for a reason, and sharing tgs is rathe low imo, like I got shat on by GV for doing a lot less.

There was no point here other than to simply make fun of me and make me look like a desperate loser, and I don’t appreciate that. I don’t know why you couldn’t just respect what I wanted. There are plenty of ways to insult me that I would’ve been perfectly ok with.

Gothic Vandelia wrote:It is still considered a political faux pax to quote private discussions. Then again, the diplomatic status with you and Rothaland isn't exactly marvelous at the moment.

Fair enough.

Considering I left for a different reason because I opened a international trade market in Kreikburg. Oh the opening is still happening. Next week in fact.

Ionalands wrote:If I wanted everyone to see our negotiations I would’ve had them on the rmb or the forum, they were private conversations for a reason, and sharing tgs is rathe low imo, like I got shat on by GV for doing a lot less.

There was no point here other than to simply make fun of me and make me look like a desperate loser, and I don’t appreciate that. I don’t know why you couldn’t just respect what I wanted. There are plenty of ways to insult me that I would’ve been perfectly ok with.

My intention wasnt that toxic, but I apologize nonetheless.

Anacodia wrote:Shocking I know, and now in hindsight, they had good reason

And yet you all agreed to become Rothalands henchmens just after?

I can see the discussion:
"I dunno if we can trust you but since Anacodia say you are okay, I guess you are in."
"Great, you are all my henchmens in my great plan to starve the entire world" *mad laughter*
"Okay, that sounds fine".

Gothic Vandelia wrote:And yet you all agreed to become Rothalands henchmens just after?

I can see the discussion:
"I dunno if we can trust you but since Anacodia say you are okay, I guess you are in."
"Great, you are all my henchmens in my great plan to starve the entire world" *mad laughter*
"Okay, that sounds fine".

Pretty much yeah. I was letting my ambitions take control of rational thought.

Anacodia wrote:My intention wasnt that toxic, but I apologize nonetheless.

Thank you for the apology.

Ionalands wrote:If I wanted everyone to see our negotiations I would’ve had them on the rmb or the forum, they were private conversations for a reason, and sharing tgs is rathe low imo, like I got shat on by GV for doing a lot less.

There was no point here other than to simply make fun of me and make me look like a desperate loser, and I don’t appreciate that. I don’t know why you couldn’t just respect what I wanted. There are plenty of ways to insult me that I would’ve been perfectly ok with.

To be fair did you share part of an Ooc conversation.

But yes, it is considered an diplomatic insult to share private conversation between 2 leaders with the world. That however is an in game thing and are something solved in game. We seen a few nations in the past sharing such things and there have of course always been diplomatic consequences.

Gothic Vandelia wrote:To be fair did you share part of an Ooc conversation.

But yes, it is considered an diplomatic insult to share private conversation between 2 leaders with the world. That however is an in game thing and are something solved in game. We seen a few nations in the past sharing such things and there have of course always been diplomatic consequences.

Im not going to lie, I did it because of what Rothaland did to Reyma Asari. Yeah, yeah I can hear you all saying I dont have definitive proof, but of the two prime suspects (Scalesburg and Rothaland) Rothaland is the only one I could see doing something like that.

Also: Sharing private conversations do mean other nations might be less likely to talk with you in private.

We do however know that many nations might secretly share information like that with allies but out of sight, out of mind.

Gothic Vandelia wrote:Also: Sharing private conversations do mean other nations might be less likely to talk with you in private.

We do however know that many nations might secretly share information like that with allies but out of sight, out of mind.

Not like im going to be in any large alliances any time soon, but very true.

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