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Fort ilocandia

Ellenburg wrote:Hello Everyone! The URA does need the spot of Voting member filled by a member of your region on the discord. I have halted the Commend though I do believe that Aruisgrad is Commendable but with the current ban I don't see an avenue of getting this passed in the Security Council. As many of you believe I believe the MOD's have made a mistake but with no avenue to reverse there ruling I had to halt the Commend until its lifted at least. If you all feel it can be continued and passed. Please feel free to use what I have done so far. I just asked that you make me a co-author of the proposal. If anyone has questions feel free to telegram me or contact me on discord.

I understand where Manilenyos and Ellenburg are coming from. We commend the moderators for the job they are doing to sustain the NS community. But I think Ariusgrad's ban is quite temporary. It mentioned way back that it could join the WA again by next year, if I recall correctly. Don't know if that's still the case. Anyway, I believe that besides the proof Lanaograd already showed to us and to the moderators (including the time they coincidentally managed to post their farewell addresses at about the same time due to some grand order of the universe, search the RMB because I remember a time they did that), its eventual departure from NS and Ariusgrad's relative stability (unlike Lanaograd which ceased to exist at least thrice, our longest serving delegate has never CTEd) is proof enough for me that they are different people. Denying Ariusgrad's 9 years of service by a single moderator oversight? Anya ti kunam?

As for foreign affairs accomplishments, I think our active membership in the URA and the PFS due to its herculean efforts is undeniable. From a region that used to hate joining alliances (see Lanaograd's history of the Philippines), Ariusgrad managed to turn around the tables and gear the Philippines towards global cooperation. The defender response to help us in the transition phase would also be testament to the structure left to us by Ariusgrad. That its principles worked despite the challenges.

Seludong and Manilenyos

Fort ilocandia

Geolagarta wrote:Are you sure that Ellenburg dropped it? If not, we can ask him to take it up. I have been around for its passing.

I have no issues with the long game, if that is what you seek for a more successful commend. We can take this time to further improve on the content and campaign for our Eternal President. My hope is we would not forget Ariusgrad's tireless work for the Philippines in the process.

Kalayaan and sabah confederacy, Seludong, and Manilenyos

Manilenyos wrote:The spot Guiuan is supposed to/can fill is Philippines's Rep/Voting Member, which is basically somebody who votes on WA proposals in the URA server. We don't have one at the moment.Well, Lanaograd left the discord server, Ellenburg seems to have dropped the proposal, which means I'd have to start from scratch - otherwise, I would be punished for plagiarism. Couple that with the fact that the WA ejection would make it more controversial, I am not sure about moving forward with a commend at this time. I just don't see it passing any time soon, unless Ariusgrad continues to be active, especially in foreign affairs. Otherwise, the SC regulars wouldn't hesitate to shut it down the moment I bring a draft to the forums.

Apologies for the bluntness. Maybe if the ban is lifted and it is proven that Ariusgrad and Lanaograd are, in fact, different people I would be way more enthusiastic, but I don't see anything good coming out of it with the current situation.

TL;DR I think Ariusgrad is commendable, but a commendation wouldn't pass due to the WA ejection. Trying to argue that the mods simply lied without providing evidence will just ruin any other chance of passing this, so we'll have to play the long game and wait.

On another note, though, if you do want to try to get the ban lifted, feel free to mention stuff you think is evidence enough, and maybe I can move forward with this after all.

Understood; no need to apologise for being blunt, Manilenyos. At least you have made your concerns known and the situation is much clearer now. Thank you for pointing out the pain points of this particular move and the need to exercise caution.
That said, I shall keep the existing draft (v4) on file as a reference/template should we proceed with it at some point in the (hopefully) near future. Ariusgrad meanwhile retains his position in the Regional Government, ready for the day of his return.

As to presenting evidence that they are indeed two separate entities, I am unsure what can constitute evidence. Perhaps the more senior players here can vouch with previous chats or correspondence that shows they are two people.

Manilenyos

Ellenburg wrote:Hello Everyone! The URA does need the spot of Voting member filled by a member of your region on the discord. I have halted the Commend though I do believe that Aruisgrad is Commendable but with the current ban I don't see an avenue of getting this passed in the Security Council. As many of you believe I believe the MOD's have made a mistake but with no avenue to reverse there ruling I had to halt the Commend until its lifted at least. If you all feel it can be continued and passed. Please feel free to use what I have done so far. I just asked that you make me a co-author of the proposal. If anyone has questions feel free to telegram me or contact me on discord.

Thank you for granting permission to use the existing text, and we will make sure you are credited as is proper.

Manilenyos

Fort ilocandia wrote:I understand where Manilenyos and Ellenburg are coming from. We commend the moderators for the job they are doing to sustain the NS community. But I think Ariusgrad's ban is quite temporary. It mentioned way back that it could join the WA again by next year, if I recall correctly. Don't know if that's still the case. Anyway, I believe that besides the proof Lanaograd already showed to us and to the moderators (including the time they coincidentally managed to post their farewell addresses at about the same time due to some grand order of the universe, search the RMB because I remember a time they did that), its eventual departure from NS and Ariusgrad's relative stability (unlike Lanaograd which ceased to exist at least thrice, our longest serving delegate has never CTEd) is proof enough for me that they are different people. Denying Ariusgrad's 9 years of service by a single moderator oversight? Anya ti kunam?

As for foreign affairs accomplishments, I think our active membership in the URA and the PFS due to its herculean efforts is undeniable. From a region that used to hate joining alliances (see Lanaograd's history of the Philippines), Ariusgrad managed to turn around the tables and gear the Philippines towards global cooperation. The defender response to help us in the transition phase would also be testament to the structure left to us by Ariusgrad. That its principles worked despite the challenges.

Agreed that the moderators are doing their job, but that this whole affair is a misunderstanding, as well as the point that Ariusgrad remained stable enough to serve for that long.
Your thoughts on Ariusgrad's legacy concerning foreign relations and URA activity are key points that should be added to the draft of the commendation, as is the functioning of the framework that guided us during the transition.

The long game indeed can be used to polish and fortify the commend so that it can be made ready for proposal as soon as things smooth out.

Manilenyos

Also, as to the ongoing URA Vice Presidential elections, the ballot can be found here:

https://forms.gle/xGRv4Pbtqagj2S2p9

Ellenburg and Manilenyos

Fort ilocandia

Seludong wrote:Understood; no need to apologise for being blunt, Manilenyos. At least you have made your concerns known and the situation is much clearer now. Thank you for pointing out the pain points of this particular move and the need to exercise caution.
That said, I shall keep the existing draft (v4) on file as a reference/template should we proceed with it at some point in the (hopefully) near future. Ariusgrad meanwhile retains his position in the Regional Government, ready for the day of his return.

As to presenting evidence that they are indeed two separate entities, I am unsure what can constitute evidence. Perhaps the more senior players here can vouch with previous chats or correspondence that shows they are two people.

I doubt if testimonies of fellow players would be heard, but I am without doubt of Ariusgrad's immense influence to building the community we have now. Indeed, of the three URA consultants we originally have, only Ariusgrad remains active, with Vesilen Island and Hastiaka ceasing to exist by this time. It is unfathomable to fault Ariusgrad's massive contributions to our foreign policy. We have over 150 embassies even, in addition to our alliance memberships, which network helped us weather through this transition crisis. Manilenyos Ellenburg

Seludong and Manilenyos

Fort ilocandia

As far as our delegate Seludong's survey, we barely have 10 native WA members. If in the past, Republic of Bukidnon's fears of a weakened defense would have been offset by Ariusgrad's massive influence, we do not have its virtual founder status now to watch over us. Add to that the loss of our rank and file units, we in PEFTON could only contribute so much. What steps have we taken to prevent the PDF collapse?

Republic of Bukidnon, Kalayaan and sabah confederacy, Seludong, and Geolagarta

Fort ilocandia

Lanaograd wrote:Weep not for me, my friends, but for the service we have been deprived of because of this sudden decision by the moderators. I suspected the first time when my RMB posts have been redirected to Ariusgrad or to Secular state of the philippines, among other nations, when quoted. Dismissed initially as a glitch, but now we are here. Do not even think of me, but I simply cannot believe they will come after our longest serving World Assembly Delegate, serving for so long it was already in office when I first joined the Philippines from Global Enterprise in 2013. Imagine that? I suppose all of us here have had seen our beloved former delegate Ariusgrad in action by the time we came to the region. Personally, until I was assigned to research on our regional history, I would have never known we had 36 more delegates before Ariusgrad.

While there will always be a reason to react negatively, our response should always be peaceful, constructive, and conciliatory. We cannot fault the ones who are doing their roles and responsibilities. As we do our tasks to sustain this Philippine community, so do they work their best to maintain the integrity of overall gameplay. They chose to reject our presentation of evidence, from difference in IP addresses to difference in actual locations to difference in devices used to even difference in accounts (e.g., different social media profiles, etc.) and testimonies from our fellow players leading their noble nations. We are exhausting all possible remedies, but so far to no avail. Still, I believe that time will uphold the righteousness of our cause. Even in times of darkness, we can be assured that there will be light. The Philippines will always be the beacon of liberty, and the Pearl of the Orient. Mabuhay ang Pilipinas! Mabuhay ang lahat ng mga bayaning katulad ni Ariusgrad na nagbuwis ng dugo, pagod, at serbisyo para itaguyod ang ating rehiyon!

I think these were the proofs presented by Lanaograd.

Kalayaan and sabah confederacy and Seludong

Seludong

Fort ilocandia wrote:I doubt if testimonies of fellow players would be heard, but I am without doubt of Ariusgrad's immense influence to building the community we have now. Indeed, of the three URA consultants we originally have, only Ariusgrad remains active, with Vesilen Island and Hastiaka ceasing to exist by this time. It is unfathomable to fault Ariusgrad's massive contributions to our foreign policy. We have over 150 embassies even, in addition to our alliance memberships, which network helped us weather through this transition crisis. Manilenyos Ellenburg

That is correct, and perhaps testimonials might not hold up as I had thought they would.
Our strength does rely on our foreign policy that was crafted carefully and has ensured our stability.

Seludong

Fort ilocandia wrote:As far as our delegate Seludong's survey, we barely have 10 native WA members. If in the past, Republic of Bukidnon's fears of a weakened defense would have been offset by Ariusgrad's massive influence, we do not have its virtual founder status now to watch over us. Add to that the loss of our rank and file units, we in PEFTON could only contribute so much. What steps have we taken to prevent the PDF collapse?

Is there a possible way to enlist more members? It sounds a little forceful, but it might be a necessary step.

Seludong

Fort ilocandia wrote:I think these were the proofs presented by Lanaograd.

Thank you for bringing this back. It is beyond me as to why even out-of-game evidence was still not accepted as sufficient evidence, as well as technical specifications (the IP addresses).
Let us heed the words of Lanaograd to be "peaceful, constructive and conciliatory" in our next plans of action, as well as exercise caution.

We shall continue on despite this, starting off with monitoring the URA Vice Presidential polls, and how to shore up defences. May I ask Secular state of the philippines to weigh in on possible options for doing so since we lost members of the PEFTON? This will be aside from ensuring that more members join the WA.

Kalayaan and sabah confederacy

Secular state of the philippines

Seludong wrote:Thank you for bringing this back. It is beyond me as to why even out-of-game evidence was still not accepted as sufficient evidence, as well as technical specifications (the IP addresses).
Let us heed the words of Lanaograd to be "peaceful, constructive and conciliatory" in our next plans of action, as well as exercise caution.

We shall continue on despite this, starting off with monitoring the URA Vice Presidential polls, and how to shore up defences. May I ask Secular state of the philippines to weigh in on possible options for doing so since we lost members of the PEFTON? This will be aside from ensuring that more members join the WA.

There is one plan of action that was effective during the invasion of December 2017. We seek aid from defender regions in an event of an invasion. They will provide WA support to any active regional officer. This is one possible option if we can't rely on local WA membership. This method doesn't really solve local WA attendance but this is the only option we can fall into if so an invasion occurs.

Ariusgrad have tried regional recruitment drive to boost WA activity since but most residents finds it rather optional. I've proposed to our eternal president long ago options like treaties with defender regions to defend us in an event of an invasion or turn philippines into a defender puppet storage to prevent future invasions. But such proposals would conflict our sovereignty and our constitution.

Ecnav Enitsuj, Kalayaan and sabah confederacy, and Seludong

Manilenyos

Secular state of the philippines wrote:I've proposed to our eternal president long ago options like treaties with defender regions to defend us in an event of an invasion or turn Philippines into a defender puppet storage to prevent future invasions. But such proposals would conflict our sovereignty and our constitution.

I understand the concern for the latter, though defenders already move in puppets into this region despite us not claiming to be a puppet storage, hence why the population is inflated by non-WA members.

As for the former, I think we can possibly have a good think about how to go about this, because I think it's a decent idea. Admittedly, I may not understand which part of the constitution prevents us from signing into a treaty, so I'm open to being educated on why we can't do this.

Fort ilocandia wrote:I think these were the proofs presented by Lanaograd.

From a non-moderator standpoint, I do think this is sufficient evidence. However, the mods intentionally keep their WA multi-ing checking procedure private, so I'll have to look more into IP address sharing issues in the Philippines (IRL) and other stuff that the mods may check if we ever want to make another appeal case. Thank you for bringing this up again!

Kalayaan and sabah confederacy and Seludong

Seludong

Secular state of the philippines wrote:There is one plan of action that was effective during the invasion of December 2017. We seek aid from defender regions in an event of an invasion. They will provide WA support to any active regional officer. This is one possible option if we can't rely on local WA membership. This method doesn't really solve local WA attendance but this is the only option we can fall into if so an invasion occurs.

Ariusgrad have tried regional recruitment drive to boost WA activity since but most residents finds it rather optional. I've proposed to our eternal president long ago options like treaties with defender regions to defend us in an event of an invasion or turn philippines into a defender puppet storage to prevent future invasions. But such proposals would conflict our sovereignty and our constitution.

Thank you very much for the input. Thank you for reminding us that traditional recruitment into the WA is not very effective; we cannot make it compulsory, but we will nonetheless encourage it. I agree with Manilenyos that the concept of treaties with defender regions is a viable recourse as it is tried and tested. There also must be more study on this as we await the results of the URA Vice Presidential polls.

I would also like to thank Manilenyos in advance for looking into the IRL workings of IP address sharing. Building the case for the exoneration of Ariusgrad will be one of our long-term projects alongside the paused commend for them. In the meantime, we can focus on filling all positions and crafting a defence strategy based on foreign relations. As to the concern over puppets in the Region, I think the proposal of Secular state of the philippines can be construed as official recognition of their existence amongst us, and formally cement their integration into our defence strategy.

Kalayaan and sabah confederacy and Manilenyos

Secular state of the philippines

The problem with a defense treaty initially is what can we offer to the defender regions in return? We can't promise a mutual defense response because of our low WA attendance and we can't offer our WA regional officers as they are vital to our administration. We need to come up with an offer that is acceptable to both parties. I personally think they won't sign a defense treaty if we have nothing to offer.

Seludong and Geolagarta

Greetings, fellow Filipinos. Haven't noticed that I'm still retained in the regional government somehow, 41 days after my disgraceful ejection from the WA. I am glad about how Ecnav Enitsuj and Seludong steered the region despite the immense challenges of their position.

At any rate, I can at least confirm the following:

1. Yes, as Fort ilocandia reiterated, my ban is temporary and I can return to the WA at least by next year. God willing.

2. Yes, we are traditionally one of those independent regions which do not really enter into alliances or treaties. Perhaps one reason is what Secular state of the philippines says. As a medium-sized region, we have little to offer militarily speaking. We can send a contingent here and there way back, but I cannot imagine how far we have gone since my relegation from position. I don't know why, but still, I guess we can't stop progress. We have ties with most of the Pacifics. As member of the URA, we are ensured both of political (as part of a WA bloc) and military (as part of the URA Armed Forces) assistance. The PFS may be more of a political coalition, but their members are defender regions as well. What we offer them is not our military strength, but the power of our ideals and principles. I am not necessarily against the idea of carefully strengthening our alliances, but if we are to be bound by text, we should have the capability to uphold our side of the agreement.

3. Refounding is one of the long-standing issues we have. While it may reduce our appeal as one of the largest founderless and non-password-protected regions, I am not particularly opposed to the idea of refounding. However, we have to be able to seek out a candidate who is not only impartial and non-partisan, but also active enough to sustain the duties of foundership. We must also be proactive in cleaning out the old region and inviting all the core members to the new one.

Today is our commemoration of Victory and Humanity, 500 years since Mactan. Hopefully, we also get to triumph in our future activities together. Mabuhay at maraming salamat sa inyong lahat.

Ecnav Enitsuj, Republic of Bukidnon, Kalayaan and sabah confederacy, Seludong, and 3 othersManilenyos, Fort ilocandia, and Geolagarta

Secular state of the philippines wrote:The problem with a defense treaty initially is what can we offer to the defender regions in return? We can't promise a mutual defense response because of our low WA attendance and we can't offer our WA regional officers as they are vital to our administration. We need to come up with an offer that is acceptable to both parties. I personally think they won't sign a defense treaty if we have nothing to offer.

Ariusgrad wrote:Greetings, fellow Filipinos. Haven't noticed that I'm still retained in the regional government somehow, 41 days after my disgraceful ejection from the WA. I am glad about how Ecnav Enitsuj and Seludong steered the region despite the immense challenges of their position.

At any rate, I can at least confirm the following:

1. Yes, as Fort ilocandia reiterated, my ban is temporary and I can return to the WA at least by next year. God willing.

2. Yes, we are traditionally one of those independent regions which do not really enter into alliances or treaties. Perhaps one reason is what Secular state of the philippines says. As a medium-sized region, we have little to offer militarily speaking. We can send a contingent here and there way back, but I cannot imagine how far we have gone since my relegation from position. I don't know why, but still, I guess we can't stop progress. We have ties with most of the Pacifics. As member of the URA, we are ensured both of political (as part of a WA bloc) and military (as part of the URA Armed Forces) assistance. The PFS may be more of a political coalition, but their members are defender regions as well. What we offer them is not our military strength, but the power of our ideals and principles. I am not necessarily against the idea of carefully strengthening our alliances, but if we are to be bound by text, we should have the capability to uphold our side of the agreement.

3. Refounding is one of the long-standing issues we have. While it may reduce our appeal as one of the largest founderless and non-password-protected regions, I am not particularly opposed to the idea of refounding. However, we have to be able to seek out a candidate who is not only impartial and non-partisan, but also active enough to sustain the duties of foundership. We must also be proactive in cleaning out the old region and inviting all the core members to the new one.

Today is our commemoration of Victory and Humanity, 500 years since Mactan. Hopefully, we also get to triumph in our future activities together. Mabuhay at maraming salamat sa inyong lahat.

Good point, Secular state of the philippines. We do not have the same numbers as other Regions and we cannot risk having active members sent out. I do agree, however, with Ariusgrad in that we can offer non-combative participation; my understanding is that the most we can offer is an advisory role should they need assistance in a raid or other crisis. Regarding puppets, we can probably segregate who are puppets and who are natives that may participate in politics and have suffrage (something along the lines of "citizen" versus "resident alien" status IRL).

Also, it is nice to hear from you again, Ariusgrad. You are retained in government by virtue of your dignity as Eternal President, and as Councillor of State for your experience and advice. These are of immense importance since you have served and fought for the Region throughout your long tenure. We do hope that your ban can be lifted sooner than the one year mandated, but that is another matter.

I think it best to proceed with a treaty in line with the Constitution, but it should clearly define our role as non-combative. I am unsure as to whether other countries in the PFS or our other allies will be amenable to such an exchange, but we can send manpower to the front only as a last resort. Perhaps we can explore previous treaties and see what provisions and elements we can reuse to draft a new one. In terms of which Regions and Nations to offer this hypothetical treaty to, we can start with those within the URA as well as the PFS such as our Pacific allies. Suggested criteria include, but are not limited to, the following: length of alliance; performance in the 2017 Raid (an event for which admittedly I was absent from due to inactivity in this game); numbers of WA delegates, and number of puppet states that can be loaned to us.

Refounding is, in my opinion, a feasible but gruelling procedure. And I agree that at its helm must be someone who does have the time and know-how to manage the Region consistently. It might take years to regain our present stature, but some concessions must be made if we agree on having a fresh start. I have read separate discussions on it and there are other benefits that come with a refound in terms of defence and even economy. But again, returning to the present station we are in will take time. I believe we can rebuild together if such is the will of the majority.

As of the moment, we can prioritise identification of potential treaty partners, begin drafting a treaty with defined boundaries, identifying who are present citizens and resident aliens, and of course monitoring the results of the URA Vice Presidential polls.

URA is currently holding its April elections and voting is in progress. We have two positions up for election this cycle Head of Elections and also a special election to fill the remainder of the Vice President's term that expires at the end of July. Please find the access to the ballot below. All residents of URA regions are eligible to vote. Please find the ballot here: https://forms.gle/xGRv4Pbtqagj2S2p9

Kalayaan and sabah confederacy and Seludong

United Region Alliance wrote:URA is currently holding its April elections and voting is in progress. We have two positions up for election this cycle Head of Elections and also a special election to fill the remainder of the Vice President's term that expires at the end of July. Please find the access to the ballot below. All residents of URA regions are eligible to vote. Please find the ballot here: https://forms.gle/xGRv4Pbtqagj2S2p9

Thank you!

Everyone is encouraged to vote in the polls.

Fort ilocandia

Thoughts about Kapulungan ng Nagkakaisang Lungsod? They seem pretty recent, but they have these outrageous claims. We already have the PCARI as the encompassing organization of Filipino-themed regions and institutions.

Kalayaan and sabah confederacy

Seludong

Fort ilocandia wrote:Thoughts about Kapulungan ng Nagkakaisang Lungsod? They seem pretty recent, but they have these outrageous claims. We already have the PCARI as the encompassing organization of Filipino-themed regions and institutions.

At first glance they do seem a bit new...and their activity appears centred on "TheoTown" so that strikes me as a little parochial.
Also, their member nations tend to be ephemeral, ceasing to exist in quick succession.
I say to just watch them from time to time and stick with the more established PCARI.

Fort ilocandia

Ariusgrad wrote:Greetings, fellow Filipinos. Haven't noticed that I'm still retained in the regional government somehow, 41 days after my disgraceful ejection from the WA. I am glad about how Ecnav Enitsuj and Seludong steered the region despite the immense challenges of their position.

At any rate, I can at least confirm the following:

1. Yes, as Fort ilocandia reiterated, my ban is temporary and I can return to the WA at least by next year. God willing.

2. Yes, we are traditionally one of those independent regions which do not really enter into alliances or treaties. Perhaps one reason is what Secular state of the philippines says. As a medium-sized region, we have little to offer militarily speaking. We can send a contingent here and there way back, but I cannot imagine how far we have gone since my relegation from position. I don't know why, but still, I guess we can't stop progress. We have ties with most of the Pacifics. As member of the URA, we are ensured both of political (as part of a WA bloc) and military (as part of the URA Armed Forces) assistance. The PFS may be more of a political coalition, but their members are defender regions as well. What we offer them is not our military strength, but the power of our ideals and principles. I am not necessarily against the idea of carefully strengthening our alliances, but if we are to be bound by text, we should have the capability to uphold our side of the agreement.

3. Refounding is one of the long-standing issues we have. While it may reduce our appeal as one of the largest founderless and non-password-protected regions, I am not particularly opposed to the idea of refounding. However, we have to be able to seek out a candidate who is not only impartial and non-partisan, but also active enough to sustain the duties of foundership. We must also be proactive in cleaning out the old region and inviting all the core members to the new one.

Today is our commemoration of Victory and Humanity, 500 years since Mactan. Hopefully, we also get to triumph in our future activities together. Mabuhay at maraming salamat sa inyong lahat.

Overjoyed to hear again from our great leader! As always, you have that intimate grasp of the situation. Sadly, you are correct. The Philippine Defense Force has since your unfortunate fall from the helm been significantly reduced from 38 to 9 members, only a fourth of its original strength. The allied fortress unit PEFTON has also been reduced from 6 to 3 members, myself included. I beg to disagree that our recruitment efforts came to naught. Before Lanaograd's departure, we have been sending over 50 telegrams a day since Ariusgrad launched our 10th anniversary campaign. We lost all that momentum, and the next two administrations have yet to ramp up their defense programs. It has indeed been six weeks, but I cannot fathom how far the defensive structure of the Philippines has collapsed after Ariusgrad's delegacy. We can be grateful that Ariusgrad has actively sought the creation of defender networks for our extended deterrence. That was largely what helped us survive this transition phase, if I may say so myself. But we cannot always rely on the foundations of our former delegate. It could as easily be eroded in time.

As for refounding, that would involve massive logistical planning because we will not only lose the immense influence Ariusgrad had built throughout the years, but also the embassies we have made with key allies. It will take us time to reestablish them, especially with the larger regions with stricter foreign policy requirements. We cannot wait for years to rebuild. We should learn from the lessons of the instability of the 2011-2012 refounding era, which saw four delegates within a span of a year. What if refounding with an active founder would lull us into a false sense of security and stifle growth?

Kalayaan and sabah confederacy and Seludong

Fort ilocandia

Seludong wrote:At first glance they do seem a bit new...and their activity appears centred on "TheoTown" so that strikes me as a little parochial.
Also, their member nations tend to be ephemeral, ceasing to exist in quick succession.
I say to just watch them from time to time and stick with the more established PCARI.

Two members of the PCARI ceased to exist, if I recall correctly. What else have we done to proactively embrace the Filipino community out there?

Kalayaan and sabah confederacy

Fort ilocandia wrote:Two members of the PCARI ceased to exist, if I recall correctly. What else have we done to proactively embrace the Filipino community out there?

We can revive ties with other member states there, check in on them and the like. Maintain regular contact.

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