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NW Hell Rehab Center wrote:FWIW: https://reason.com/2019/08/23/dont-panic-amazon-burning-is-mostly-farms-not-forests/

According to this, it's just deforestation and that's not as bad as it's been in the past. So look to see what kind of American right wing "libertarian" propaganda outlet this is. Aha. Gotcha.

Actually, according to this many of the fires are on land that had been deforested already and it is still worse than the recent past. However, the number of fires reported here is about half of the number I have heard elsewhere, and many of the current fires are uncontrolled, which doesn't seem to warrant a mention from the author.

Right wing propaganda? Could be, I really don't know. Welcome to the misinformation age.

The Reason Foundation. "Libertarians" in the United States mixed in with the Tea Party and evangelical conservatives. These days "Libertarians" in the USA campaign are for the personhood of corporations and oppose same-sex marriage and abortion. Libertarian? It's big money on the march. Doing something about climate change? It gets in the way of making money.

Sunrise from the Sea wrote:The Reason Foundation. "Libertarians" in the United States mixed in with the Tea Party and evangelical conservatives. These days "Libertarians" in the USA campaign are for the personhood of corporations and oppose same-sex marriage and abortion. Libertarian? It's big money on the march. Doing something about climate change? It gets in the way of making money.

If someone opposes same-sex marriage, they aren't actually libertarian. It's really that simple - words, even political words, have meanings. In the same way, events of the last 20 years have completely changed the meaning of the word "conservative". Practically no one applying the label "conservative" to themselves these days actually is, according to the previously universally accepted definition.

If a vast majority of people who call themselves libertarian start to oppose same-sex marriage, then the meaning of the word will change, but things are not even close to that point. "Libertarian" and Republican (US) or "conservative" are hardly synonymous. At one time, libertarians were an important constituent of the US Republican Party. Now they are scorned as RINO's.

That of course doesn't mean you should approve of libertarianism. They have many beliefs that are not, shall we say, P115-orthodox, some of which Sunrise from the Sea mentioned.

P.S. Abortion is trickier than same-sex marriage. One can be both libertarian and "pro-life", but I have no reason to think that that is a particularly common combination.

That is reasonable, NW Hell Rehab Center, thank you. Libertarianism is a honourable term, but in the United States is increasingly viewed as a free-market position. This may be unfair, but "Libertarians" in the Republican Party have cosied up to corporations, compromised their beliefs on social matters and are poo-pooing the dangers of climate change.

Sunrise from the Sea wrote:That is reasonable, NW Hell Rehab Center, thank you. Libertarianism is a honourable term, but in the United States is increasingly viewed as a free-market position. This may be unfair, but "Libertarians" in the Republican Party have cosied up to corporations, compromised their beliefs on social matters and are poo-pooing the dangers of climate change.

Actually, I would say that libertarianism is a free-market position. I was simply arguing that it is not a personally repressive position, being against restrictions on sexuality beyond things like rape and pedophilia, being against drug laws, etc. Both lefties and righties find libertarians useful allies on some issues, and then violently curse them on other issues. In my personal experience, I find folks on both ends of the left-right spectrum tend to remember the "incorrect" opinions held by libertarians more than the ones with which they agree.

I like the term "political non-Euclidean" as a useful reminder that libertarianism simply doesn't fit with the model of all political thought as a straight line running from far right to far left.

NW Hell Rehab Center wrote:Actually, I would say that libertarianism is a free-market position.

That is how the word is used in the contemporary US. Historically, and in Europe today it is still used to refer to a rather different political philosophy, one which is sometimes also called syndicalism. Noam Chomsky, who is a 'libertarian' in this older/European sense, talks about the changed meaning of the term.

NW Hell Rehab Center wrote:I like the term "political non-Euclidean" as a useful reminder that libertarianism simply doesn't fit with the model of all political thought as a straight line running from far right to far left.

Oh but come now, this is NationStates, surely everyone here is at least thinking of politics in terms of quadrants, a la the Political Compass?

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

In that case, American Libertarians occupy the lower right purple quadrant, while historically and in Europe the term libertarian refers to the a position more accurately represented in the lower left green quadrant.

Gyeongsan wrote:
Oh but come now, this is NationStates, surely everyone here is at least thinking of politics in terms of quadrants, a la the Political Compass?

The NationStates model is in fact three-dimensional, due to the separation of personal freedom and political freedom. US-style libertarianism is "Anarchy" in the NationStates model.

Actually, thinking about it a little more, I wonder if US libertarianism might be better described in NationStates terms as Capitalizt. For two reasons. First, in my experience, libertarians are usually not strong believers in complete democracy. The idea that only the worthy should vote has some currency (no pun intended), though I wouldn't call it libertarian dogma. Also, certain principles, like free speech, are considered beyond the voters' reach (in the same way that the Constitution can't be changed directly by a popular vote in the American system).

The second reason is that Max Barry has said that the Capitalizt system is that of Jennifer Government, a work whose whole point is satirizing libertarianism.

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