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The United Nikland wrote:Is there a regional map here?

South Pacific Regional Map

Government Officials

Residents of South Pacific

Minister of Foreign Affairs: Killiningo
World Assembly Minister: A Small Rock Off Maowi
Sergeant-at-arms: Densaner
Welcome Desk: Holly United
WA Delegate: Panther

Resident: Lingang
Resident: NorgiestoileckylockJ
Resident: Garetolia
Resident: Sayabara
Resident: Ophersa
Resident: Republic of Gran Colombia
Resident: The Hellenic Greece




To get on the map, please telegram Panther. Either describe the territories you'd prefer, or else save the map yourself, edit it with Paint, and send the file. Your claims may be revised.

LinkZoomable Version

Territory Expansion
For nations already on the map: If, in the future, you would like to expand your territories in some significant way, or into another claimant's territory, you are required to make a case for yourself on the RMB. Paint a picture. Plead your case for this desired outcome. Make it as realistic or as silly as you'd like. But I will push back against your desired goal, so it will not be a sure bet.

(Any minor changes to your territories, simply send a telegram or notify on the RMB)


The Battleground Continent
The brand new continent that exists on this map is where the battleground is located. Nations have the option to fight over this territory. In order for you to be involved in this you must have the game Sid Miers Civilization V and it VI and also be in the Civilization Discord found Linkhere. The way your territory will be determined when it comes to this new continent is when a nation joins the continent they will be allowed up to 3 provinces.

(Note: This is entirely separate from the mainland, meaning you can have your land already chosen on the map and also opt into the battleground to receive an additional 3 territories)


The War and how it works
This is all role-playing here so the way everything is determined is based on the game Sid Miers Civilization. There will be Seasons set up for each game Civilization V and Civilization VI each season will have a total of 4 episodes and begin at the beginning of each month and ending of each month. The battleground continent will be saved for the archives and reset each season.

In order to gain land, you must settle more cities. 2 Cities equals 1 province, so if you have 4 Cities you would have 5 provinces because you start out with 3 provinces in the beginning.

Claiming and or taking land through war or trade
Taking land from another nation is only possible on the battleground continent. In order to take land from another nation you must declare war and take one of there cities in Sid Miers Civilization. Upon taking the city you will receive one of there territories. Another option you have is the diplomatic solution you can try and figure out a trade deal with the nation and trade your territory that way as well.


FAQ
What happens if my nation gets wiped out in the game and I lose all my territories? Unfortunately, thatís a game over scenario, you lost... The war did not go in your favor... You would lose all your territory on the battleground continent and whatever nation wiped out your nation on Sid Miers will receive all of your territories on the battleground continent.

Is this a requirement to be on the map?
Absolutely not! This is just for fun and role-play and all of the Wars will be designated for the battleground continent.

Can someone declare war on me and force me into the battleground? No this is all voluntary and in order to even be able to declare war on each otherís nations each nation must first opt into the Sid Miers Civilization Season.

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This is our map. If you plan on sticking around, and would like a place on it, feel free to telegram me your claim.

Welcome to the region.

And I'd be remiss if I didn't also welcome:

Nyabugogo, Economic developmental states, Eastern nut, and Oura Rayous

I would like to remind everyone to please apply your sunscreen, as the rays of the sun seem especially strong down here. And remember: if your sunscreen doesn't claim "Broad Spectrum" protection, then it's not actually protecting you.

*sets up a chaise lounge and umbrella on the beach, takes off her cover up and applies sunscreen, sits down and pours herself a Black Russian from a thermos and settles back to enjoy the rays*

A Down and Dusky Blonde wrote:*sets up a chaise lounge and umbrella on the beach, takes off her cover up and applies sunscreen, sits down and pours herself a Black Russian from a thermos and settles back to enjoy the rays*

Imagine having sunlight

This post was made by the Western Europe gang

Rivierenland wrote:Imagine having sunlight

We're in the middle of a heat wave. Temperatures haven't been under 90įF in a week or more.

A Down and Dusky Blonde wrote:We're in the middle of a heat wave. Temperatures haven't been under 90įF in a week or more.

Same here. Also, it's that time again!


10000 Islands Emissary Update

Date: June 2020
Population: 2113
Delegate Endorsements: 710
Forum: Linkhttp://10000islands.proboards.com/
Discord: Linkhttps://discord.gg/mw27pug

TITO Command

Has your region been invaded, or do you want to get in touch with TITO? If so, contact one of the following nations:
~Chief Executive: Markanite.
~Field Commander: Kanta Hame.
~Tactical Officers: Shy Guyia, Smugglers and Mercs (EF), Mingulay Isle, THX1138.
~Executive Officers: Aschente, Hakketomat.

Government

As of this reportŪs publication, the Government of 10000 Islands consists of:
~Chief Executive: Markanite
~WA Delegate: Kuriko
~Senior Senator for Blue Canaria North (Emissary Report): Grea Kriopia
~Senator for Lyonnesse East (Houses): The United Royal Islands of Euramathania
~Senator for New Republica South (Debates and Discussions): Controlitia
~Senator for Himes West (RP): Marxist Germany
~Minister of Labor: HumanSanity
~Minister of Immigration: THX1138
~Minister of Education: The Tasmanian Islands

Additionally, XKI is proud to announce the signing of the Treaty of the Waxing Moon with The East Pacific to further recognize and appreciate the history of friendship between the two regions.

Information about other government officials of 10000 Islands can be found Linkhere.

New Government Appointments

~ The FA team grew again this month as Thedairos was appointed Emissary to The Coalition of Democratic Nations, Grea Kriopia was appointed Emissary to The North Pacific, Kohnhead was appointed Emissary to Wintreath, Free Las Pinas was appointed Ambassador to Texas, and Wille-Harlia was appointed Emissary to South Pacific.
~ The Cultural Office gained Thedairos, Free Las Pinas, Snakeden, and Al0neForever as Cultural Office Assistants.
~ Woonsocket was hired as Casino Manager in the revitalization of the XKI Casino.
~ With the Casino shuffle, Paffnia was made Regional Reserve Chair with Woonsocket becoming Deputy Regional Reserve Chair.
~ In the Education department, Wille-Harlia was hired as Deputy Minister of Education by Minister The Tasmanian Islands.

XKI Summer Olympics

June saw the first-ever XKI Summer Olympics hosted by Cultural Officer HumanSanity and Cultural Office Assistant Grea Kriopia, which ran as a month-long event spree where 3 Olympic teams competed for points, trading cards, and bragging rights. Events featured spamming contests, an Issues writing contest, a short story contest, Card collection competition, Factbook writing contest, team debates, and more, each awarding a points reward to the winning team. The event had a staggering 96 participants in total and much friendly competition was had!

In the end, Team ALEN led by THX1138 took home the gold with a total of 525 points. Next followed Team Fleeb in second with 396 points and in 3rd place with bronze came Team Anime Daisuki with 339 points. A hearty congratulations to all teams, though, for their strong participation and team spirit that helped kick the summer off strong, and special thanks also go to all of the guest judges who helped with various events.

Around the Islands

~ The LinkXKI Cards Co-Op snuck in right at the end of the month to establish a community based regional card farming operation separate from the XKI Cultural Office. More info to come in July once the Co-Op is up and running.
~ June's LinkFeatured Nation was Wille-Harlia! Congrats to him on all of his recent accomplishments and promotions, and we can't wait to see what you do next!
~ As mentioned previously, the XKI Casino got a nice revamp in the month of June with the help of Woonsocket. Now, Islanders can fulfill all their gambling addiction needs with regular lotteries, Roulette, and more to come!
~ The first space launches of the XKI Space Program took place in June with Linkdramatic results for all their parties involved.
~ Some XKIers moseyed over to a Texas Saturday morning BBQ for a nice chat and friendly regional visit.
~ The Summer Olympics brought lots of additional spam to Taco Island, but the chaos only grew as a Linkcriminal manhunt was underway for Shy Guyia. Full support to Mayor Louisistan as he seeks justice!

XKI Game-Side

A regional poll in June by Jabberwocky asked Islanders what soda they thought was sodalicious.

This monthís RMB posts show what's really on Islander's minds during quarantine...

Self-confidence is key!
Suspect everyone...even the pigeons
Weird flex, but ok
Grandmas be like...
Cards go vroom
A nice reminder
Darn, copyright!
It's called fashion

WA Affairs

June 03, 2020 SC Commend Crushing Our Enemies: Citing the target's legislative, organizational, and military work across NationStates.
Author: Jakker City
10000 Islands discussion on this resolution: LinkLink
Regional vote: For 0 | Against 14
Delegate vote: Against (weight 809)
Final WA vote: For 15370 (75.0%) | Against 5135 (25.0%)
Result: Passed June 06, becoming SCR#310

June 03, 2020 GA Rights of the Employed: A resolution to further establish and clarify worker's rights unilaterally.
Author: The Greater Soviet North America
10000 Islands discussion on this resolution: LinkLink
Regional vote: For 5 | Against 10 | Abstain 2
Delegate vote: Against (weight: 810)
Final WA vote: For 11828 (53.9%) | Against 10133 (46.1%)
Result: Passed June 7, becoming GAR#491

June 07, 2020 SC Commend 9003: Seeking to commend the target for their extensive work in International Artwork (cards) and military work.
Author: Noahs Second Country
10000 Islands discussion on this resolution: LinkLink
Regional vote: For 17 | Against 0
Delegate vote: For (weight 842)
Final WA vote: For 21925 (90.3%) | Against 2358 (9.7%)
Result: Passed May 8, becoming SCR#304

June 07, 2020 GA Proper Hygiene For Medical Instruments: A resolution to bolster hygiene standards in healthcare to raise universal standards of health.
Author: Morover
10000 Islands discussion on this resolution: LinkLink
Regional vote: For 11 | Against 0
Delegate vote: For (weight 785)
Final WA vote: For 18256 (91%) | Against 1803 (9%)
Result: Passed June 11, becoming GAR#492

June 11, 2020 SC Repeal "Liberate Iran": A movement to repeal Iran's liberation in order for the region to be refounded.
Author: Iramerica
10000 Islands discussion on this resolution: LinkLink
Regional vote: For 20 | Against 0
Delegate vote: For (weight 772)
Final WA vote: For 16861 (87.5%) | Against 2416 (12.5%)
Result: Passed June 14, becoming SCR#312

June 11, 2020 GA Language and Education Rights for Deaf Individuals: A resolution to protect Deaf individuals from discrimination with emphasis on education quality.
Author: Morover
10000 Islands discussion on this resolution: LinkLink
Regional vote: For 10 | Against 0
Delegate vote: For (weight 770)
Final WA vote: For 17814 (93.6%) | Against 1221 (6.4%)
Result: Passed June 15, becoming GAR#493

June 15, 2020 SC Commend Apulita: Citing the target's work in regional government, particularly in Warzone Europe.
Author: Jean Rowe
10000 Islands discussion on this resolution: LinkLink
Regional vote: For 10 | Against 4
Delegate vote: Against (weight 753) - violated ROVA
Final WA vote: For 4150 (26.2%) | Against 11708 (73.8%)
Result: Failed to pass.

June 15, 2020 GA Regulating Desalination: A resolution to protect Deaf individuals from discrimination with emphasis on education quality.
Author: Honeydewstania
10000 Islands discussion on this resolution: LinkLink
Regional vote: For 14 | Against 1
Delegate vote: For (weight 752)
Final WA vote: For 11930 (65.2%) | Against 6378 (34.8%)
Result: Passed June 19, becoming GAR#494

June 19, 2020 SC Repeal "Condemn Vandoosa": A movement to repeal the target's condemnation on the grounds of poor quality and overexaggeration.
Author: Tinhampton
10000 Islands discussion on this resolution: LinkLink
Regional vote: For 0 | Against 13
Delegate vote: Against (weight 755)
Final WA vote: For 4000 (25.2%) | Against 11903 (74.8%)
Result: Failed to pass.

June 19, 2020 GA Supporting and Valuing the Humanities: Establishing extra academic and monetary support for the humanities in academic institutions.
Author: Castle Federation
10000 Islands discussion on this resolution: LinkLink
Regional vote: For 10 | Against 1
Delegate vote: For (weight 753)
Final WA vote: For 15221 (82.6%) | Against 3197 (17.4%)
Result: Passed June 23, becoming GAR#495

June 23, 2020 SC Commend The Salaxalans: Citing the target's work of the highest potato quality in Spiritus.
Author: Morover
10000 Islands discussion on this resolution: LinkLink
Regional vote: For 11 | Against 1
Delegate vote: For (weight 734)
Final WA vote: For 13640 (90.3%) | Against 2763 (9.7%)
Result: Passed June 26, becoming SCR#313

June 23, 2020 GA Standards on Police Accountability: An attempt for higher accountability on police standards.
Author: Isaris
10000 Islands discussion on this resolution: LinkLink
Regional vote: For 4 | Against 11
Delegate vote: Against (weight: 733)
Final WA vote: For 7062 (41.0%) | Against 10146 (59.0%)
Result: Failed to pass.

June 27, 2020 SC Condemn Australian rePublic: Seeking to condemn the target nation for their chaotic contribution towards Issues.
Author: Authoritaria-Imperia
10000 Islands discussion on this resolution: LinkLink
Regional vote: For 13 | Against 2
Delegate vote: Against (weight 719)
Final WA vote: For 9371 (66.2%) | Against 4794 (33.8%)
Result: Passed June 30, becoming SCR#314

June 27, 2020 GA Fair Arbitration Act: A resolution to better protect and support fair arbitration on behalf of individuals.
Author: Cretox State
10000 Islands discussion on this resolution: LinkLink
Regional vote: For 13 | Against 1 | Abstain 2
Delegate vote: For (weight 718)
Final WA vote: For 13157 (83.9%) | Against 2532 (16.1%)
Result: Passed Jul 1, becoming GAR#496

Poet Laureate Competition

June brought around the XKI Poet Laureate Competition where the region's finest poet's faced off on the topic of 'anger', aiming for the best poem on the topic in any form or style. The winner of this competition was Liberdon and their poem, The Storm's Wrath, is featured below:

The Stormís Wrath

The midnight sea lay still
Until a wind started to blow
And silence fell to a shrill
And once calm waves began to grow

Far above foaming dark
Rested thatched roofs and clay walls
Nestled in straw, a lark
All unaware as the wind calls

Higher! Higher! the waves howl
Leaping, lashing the salty rock
Suddenly the skies growl
Tick, tock, tick says the clock

Crash! A terrible sound
Waves strike and tear, unleashing wrath
Bash! Bang! Roar! the waves bound
Forgetting caution, the waves scathe

Wind grows weary and dies
Waves calm and recede to the sea
Morning dawns on clear skies
But on wreckage and debris

But do not despair, for
The storm has no more spite
Rejoice and leap and soar
And rebuild what was lost last night

For no storm can last long
And clear skies will always return
The trick is staying strong
Until the waves and wrath adjourn

Until next month, your XKI Update Staff is signing off - Grea Kriopia
Read dispatch

Dashworie Aedorse wrote:Hardcore History is a great podcast. The Rome ones are awesome, as is the series on WWI. Fascinating and told in a really compelling way.

Yeah, the WWI series was incredible. And sad. Incredibly sad, even... That one's a six-part series, with each episode running around 3 or 4 hours.

https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-50-55-blueprint-for-armageddon-series/

I also really loved the series on the Mongols. That was a world I knew little about, and came away stunned by what I learned.

https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-wrath-of-the-khans-series/

Densaner wrote:Never heard of those. However I am a fan of ancient history though. I gained an interest as the central and southern parts of Scotland was a frontier of the Roman Empire. One of the local legends in Scotland relates to Pontius Pilate, it states that Pilate was born in Scotland as his father was a local Roman bigwig etc. I doubt there's any truth in it, but it's interesting nonetheless. I have also read up on Alexander the Great. I remember the first time I came across his story and being utterly astonished that he got so far, so young.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortingall_Yew

Yeah, one of the benefits you Europeans have is all of the deep history around you.

Wow, never heard that legend of Pontius Pilate. That's wild. I wish the BBC article that wikipedia cites also had a source of its own, I'd love to follow that thread some more.

I love hearing of the different ways that places and/or communities attempt to connect themselves to certain parts of history. Another that comes to mind, also involving your fair isles, is the legend that Britain was founded by one of the refugees from the Fall of Troy. And Rome pulled the same trick. America has done it countless times, being so disconnected from everything else, way out over here.

Alexander the Great was my first history love. Read this historical fiction when I was young, The Virtues of War by Steven Pressfield, that follows his life and journey, and it really hooked me on the story:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1316.The_Virtues_of_War

He really is a remarkable figure to learn about. Sure, he may have been a maniacal butcher...sure, he may have been basically handed the world's greatest army by his father and given the perfect moment to use it...but gosh darn-it, I can't stop being fascinated by him.

Panther wrote:Wow, never heard that legend of Pontius Pilate. That's wild. I wish the BBC article that wikipedia cites also had a source of its own, I'd love to follow that thread some more.

Yeah, itís probably in the same league as the Loch Ness Monster, interesting but bol...nonsense. The Yew tree is interesting enough. Sat there minding its own business for the last 3K or so years. If only it could talk....

Panther wrote:He really is a remarkable figure to learn about. Sure, he may have been a maniacal butcher...sure, he may have been basically handed the world's greatest army by his father and given the perfect moment to use it...but gosh darn-it, I can't stop being fascinated by him.

I guess everyone was a butcher back then. And he needed to actually command the troops, having them there was only half the story. Of course diplomacy was yet to come. I first came across Alexander when I was quite young and on vacay, thereís a big ass statue of him in Edinburgh. I read up on him much, much later. I really couldnít believe he got to India, then the fact he wanted to go on, but his troops told him to get stuffed. Fascinating. 🇲🇰

https://imgur.com/eWaIi2y

I also like the Punic Wars. Now that would be a mini-series worth watching. 🐘

Densaner wrote:I first came across Alexander when I was quite young and on vacay, thereís a big ass statue of him in Edinburgh. I read up on him much, much later. I really couldnít believe he got to India, then the fact he wanted to go on, but his troops told him to get stuffed. Fascinating. 🇲🇰

https://imgur.com/eWaIi2y

That's a pretty cool statue. I don't think I've ever seen a statue of him in person, would be nice to see.

Yeah, just imaging ancient Greeks traipsing through ancient India is an incredible thought. It is one of those culture-clashes in history that can make you stop in your tracks.

I am also pretty fascinated by the more lasting impacts of Alexander's conquests across Asia. The most interesting example (for me) is the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom that formed in his wake, around modern-day Afghanistan. A remarkable thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Bactrian_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhism

Densaner wrote:I also like the Punic Wars. Now that would be a mini-series worth watching. 🐘

Agreed. An endlessly fascinating period in Roman history. Another huge culture clash, too, between the Phoenicians/Carthaginians and the nascent Romans.

*subtly points to yet another series in Hardcore History*

Punic Nightmares
https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-punic-nightmares-series/

Panther wrote:Yeah, just imaging ancient Greeks traipsing through ancient India is an incredible thought. It is one of those culture-clashes in history that can make you stop in your tracks.

Absolutely. Another ancient chapter I find very interesting was when the Romans sent a couple of legions into sub Saharan Africa. If Alexander was at head of the column then they would have reached Cape Town!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Sub-Saharan_Africa

Another one is the supposed story of a couple of Native Americans landing in Europe in about 60 BC, doubt itís true, but just imagine if it was.

https://www.cracked.com/article_19864_6-ridiculous-lies-you-believe-about-founding-america_p2.html?wa_ibsrc=fanpage

Panther wrote:I am also pretty fascinated by the more lasting impacts of Alexander's conquests...

Amazing legacy from such a short life. I like the story of Ptolemaic Egypt. The fact that it lasted a couple of hundred years and then the story came full circle when the Romans took over.

Panther wrote:Agreed. An endlessly fascinating period in Roman history. Another huge culture clash, too, between the Phoenicians/Carthaginians and the nascent Romans.

Sure was a bit like the Cold War, except over 2000 years ago. I shall check out the podcast.

Densaner wrote:Another ancient chapter I find very interesting was when the Romans sent a couple of legions into sub Saharan Africa. If Alexander was at head of the column then they would have reached Cape Town!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Sub-Saharan_Africa

Another one is the supposed story of a couple of Native Americans landing in Europe in about 60 BC, doubt itís true, but just imagine if it was.

https://www.cracked.com/article_19864_6-ridiculous-lies-you-believe-about-founding-america_p2.html?wa_ibsrc=fanpage

Wow, I wasn't aware of the Romans' sub-Saharan expeditions. Looks like Pliny the Elder is a major source for this, I'll have to dig deeper. Pliny is great fun. Wrote about seemingly everything known at the time, and can range from wonderfully insightful to ridiculous cures for the plague.

I am constantly amazed by all of the absolutely fascinating episodes of history that are out there and which I am completely ignorant of. World History is like an endless library full of great stories that you've yet to discover.

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That's a pretty good Cracked article. I am always disappointed by the set-up and appearance of their site, as it always looks like click-bait. But there's usually decent info in there, and that article is no exception.

I especially like #2, where they go into how the Native Americas actually worked and "sculpted" the forests around them, planting fruiting trees and orchards, and widening the paths so much that carriages could simply ride through them unencumbered. They more "resembled English parks" than a dense primal forest. That's a fact that blew my mind.

I will quibble somewhat with the "Vikings discovered America" thing. Yes, this is true. However, the Viking explorers left no lasting impact on the Americas, and their discovery made absolutely no impression among the rest of Europe. They had no idea the size and scope of what they found, were seemingly badly defeated by whatever indigenous peoples they encountered, and left to never come again. And they failed to relay this information to anyone else.

(Unless, of course, you consider Greenland to be America / the New World. They did have a real, lasting impact there)

Columbus' discovery is the one that actually led to something, like the eventual recognition that it was an entirely new continent, and real settlement and exchange (even if said exchange was significantly more negative for one party than the other). Columbus may have been a butcher, but his discovery actually made an impact.

A question for the Brits among us that occurred to me:

Who do you consider more "British": Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa?

I won't bother including us Americans in the list, as I know full well we've made somewhat of an identity for ourselves attempting to distance ourselves from being British (even if we're much more alike than many of us care to admit).

Really, I think this is between Canada and Australia, but I included the others for completeness sake (Sorry Kiwis. I don't apologize to South Africans at all). I'm just always curious how other countries view things, and this is one that pops into my head now and again.

Poll above

Panther wrote:Who do you consider more "British": Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa?

I would say - NZ, Canada, Australia then South Africa. India has also retained British cultural influence, particularly with the use of the English language. South Africa was never fully British, certainly not on cultural or language levels.

Densaner wrote:I would say - NZ, Canada, Australia then South Africa. India has also retained British cultural influence, particularly with the use of the English language. South Africa was never fully British, certainly not on cultural or language levels.

Interesting that you chose New Zealand, but Australia below Canada. As an outsider, I think of Australia being the most like "the old country."

I also, obviously, do not know enough about New Zealand, as I cannot clearly differentiate them in my mind from Australia (sorry again, Kiwis). What about New Zealand makes you think that?

Panther wrote:Interesting that you chose New Zealand, but Australia below Canada. As an outsider, I think of Australia being the most like "the old country."

I also, obviously, do not know enough about New Zealand, as I cannot clearly differentiate them in my mind from Australia (sorry again, Kiwis). What about New Zealand makes you think that?

Australia since WW2 has strayed significantly from the mother land. Partly they felt screwed over by us because we focused on fighting in Europe and India during WW2. The campaign in Burma is one of the greatest stories never fully told about WW2. Have a read up about General MacArthur in Australia, interesting story.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma_campaign

NZ is a smaller and I would say more culturally conservative nation. Polls suggest they still support the monarchy. I would place an outside bet on Australia becoming a republic when the Queen dies, a lot will change when that happens.

Canada, like South Africa has never been fully British, but I think they retain certain aspects of the Imperial character to differentiate themselves from you lot. Canada has its own unique culture. The National Film Board of Canada has produced some amazing films over the decades.

Check out this one. It won an Oscar and the creator was born in my fair land -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_aSowDUUaY

Densaner wrote:Australia since WW2 has strayed significantly from the mother land. Partly they felt screwed over by us because we focused on fighting in Europe and India during WW2. The campaign in Burma is one of the greatest stories never fully told about WW2
...
Canada, like South Africa has never been fully British, but I think they retain certain aspects of the Imperial character to differentiate themselves from you lot. Canada has its own unique culture. The National Film Board of Canada has produced some amazing films over the decades.

I see. That makes sense, I suppose. I am still somewhat surprised that you feel Canada has retained more of a British identity, however, given the outside influence our culture must have had on them (poor, poor Canada...)

I am somewhat aware of the Canadian film industry, and know that Vancouver is a pretty big mover-and-shaker in that world. But I am unclear as to specifics. I assume, like the wonderful Canadian music scene, that there is as much creativity going on there as in the music world.

I'd never scene that Neighbors short you'd linked. I LOVED it. This little tagline was a good description: "employs the principles normally used to put drawings or puppets into motion to animate live actors." It very much captured that feel. And with a very Dr. Seuss-like message. Although, the story got very dark very quickly at the end.

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I will admit, I knew very little about the Burma campaign. Just the wikipedia page, alone, was extremely enlightening. Sounds a bit like a proto-Vietnam War. I'm going to have to find a book about this sometime (if only there was a good podcast)

[Edit: a quick and dirty search brought back this BBC audio series:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02ypjy0/episodes/downloads
I hope it's good]

Something strange that stood out to me, while reading about those Burmese campaigns -- I find the name "Rangoon" to be extremely Romantic, and inspiring of all manner of fantasies of stowing away on a freighter and other high seas adventure.

Panther wrote:I am still somewhat surprised that you feel Canada has retained more of a British identity...

I think itís more an non-American identity informed by the Empire. Canada and the USA are probably 99.8% the same. However the 0.2% matters, because thatís the Canadian cultural part.

Panther wrote:I'd never scene that Neighbors short you'd linked. I LOVED it....

Good, glad you liked it. It is a bit controversial at the end, however it was actually classed as a documentary at the Oscars. Look at history and you can see why. 😦

Panther wrote:I will admit, I knew very little about the Burma campaign. Something strange that stood out to me, while reading about those Burmese campaigns -- I find the name "Rangoon" to be extremely Romantic, and inspiring of all manner of fantasies of stowing away on a freighter and other high seas adventure.

Itís both a terrible and wonderful story. It basically saved India from being invaded by Japan. The suffering of the troops was immense and it lasted for years. Yes, there is something mystical and obviously exotic about the orient. The names do conjure up a different world within the imagination.

Came across this interesting article, with a tangential connection for our region:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months

I assume most folks are at least aware of the general plot outline of the novel Lord of the Flies: a group of young school-age boys are shipwrecked on an island, and gradually descend into barbarity. Well, around a decade after the novel came out, a true version of this story occurred.

A group of schoolboys from Tonga (see, here's the tangential connection, a South Pacific island) were marooned on a deserted island for over a year. But instead of "man's true animal nature" coming to the fore, the group of boys cooperated in order to survive the ordeal, coming up with sensible rules and working to help one another. It's a pretty cool story, and the article is well-written and -researched.

Panther wrote:Hmm, you know what they say:

"A tongue in the cheek is worth two lips on the cheeks"

No thanks!

Panther wrote:Came across this interesting article, with a tangential connection for our region

I remember reading that when it came out. Interesting story. Of course in Lord of the Flies there had been some kind of nuclear war, so they probably thought there would be no comeback on their bestial actions. 🍄

Densaner wrote:I remember reading that when it came out. Interesting story. Of course in Lord of the Flies there had been some kind of nuclear war, so they probably thought there would be no comeback on their bestial actions. 🍄

Oh yeah, I forgot there was a hint that a nuclear war of some sort had occurred...just an image of a mushroom cloud in the background, I believe.

I'm not sure about that reading of their motives, though. I think most of them were really too young to comprehend what such a war would've meant. On top of that, I don't believe the children ever mention that the world outside is probably gone, or discuss the war that may be ongoing out there. They eventually give up hope of rescue, but that's more to do with just a general despair and unraveling. I think Golding was implying that it was simply the lack of social structure or civilization which drove them to barbarism.

Anyway, "cracking" novel, as you all might say...

By the way, what type of paper is "The Guardian"? I am always unsure what the quality of the newspaper is when I come across an article from a British newspaper online. I'd love to hear a brief rundown of British papers, from "most trusted" to "utter rubbish."

Panther wrote:By the way, what type of paper is "The Guardian"? I am always unsure what the quality of the newspaper is when I come across an article from a British newspaper online. I'd love to hear a brief rundown of British papers, from "most trusted" to "utter rubbish."

Itís a mid range liberal paper, it was founded in Manchester in the wake of The Peterloo Massacre. Most newspapers in the UK are right wing, almost all of them are garbage. You have snobby right wing papers such as The Times, mid range ones like The Daily Mail and The Daily Express and toilet paper ones like The Sun and The Daily Star. You also have the FT if youíre rich and The Morning Star if youíre a commie. The worst ones by far are The Sun and The Daily Mail. The only major centrist to centre left papers in the UK are The Guardian and The Daily Mirror.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cicunsmUnas

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster#The_Sun

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterloo_Massacre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGscoaUWW2M

Panther wrote:Came across this interesting article, with a tangential connection for our region:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months

I assume most folks are at least aware of the general plot outline of the novel Lord of the Flies: a group of young school-age boys are shipwrecked on an island, and gradually descend into barbarity. Well, around a decade after the novel came out, a true version of this story occurred.

A group of schoolboys from Tonga (see, here's the tangential connection, a South Pacific island) were marooned on a deserted island for over a year. But instead of "man's true animal nature" coming to the fore, the group of boys cooperated in order to survive the ordeal, coming up with sensible rules and working to help one another. It's a pretty cool story, and the article is well-written and -researched.

That's interesting. LotF was written to combat the hundreds of stories being churned out at the time of groups of British boys being marooned and keeping the "british stiff upper lip", and trying to imagine what would happen if a group of small schoolboys were actually stuck on an island without any adults for a prolonged period of time. So, nice to know LotF isn't the scenario that would always play out.

Panther wrote:By the way, what type of paper is "The Guardian"? I am always unsure what the quality of the newspaper is when I come across an article from a British newspaper online. I'd love to hear a brief rundown of British papers, from "most trusted" to "utter rubbish."

The Guardian's one of the most reputable ones. We're encouraged to use it as a source for essays etc.
although it's left-wing, so it's got bias

Panther wrote:
By the way, what type of paper is "The Guardian"? I am always unsure what the quality of the newspaper is when I come across an article from a British newspaper online. I'd love to hear a brief rundown of British papers, from "most trusted" to "utter rubbish."

I feel that 'The Times' is probably one of the most honest British newspapers. I'm not a big fan of others, though, such as 'The Daily Mirror' or 'The Sun'.

Densaner wrote:

Itís a mid range liberal paper, it was founded in Manchester in the wake of The Peterloo Massacre. Most newspapers in the UK are right wing, almost all of them are garbage. You have snobby right wing papers such as The Times, mid range ones like The Daily Mail and The Daily Express and toilet paper ones like The Sun and The Daily Star. You also have the FT if youíre rich and The Morning Star if youíre a commie. The worst ones by far are The Sun and The Daily Mail. The only major centrist to centre left papers in the UK are The Guardian and The Daily Mirror.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cicunsmUnas

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster#The_Sun

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterloo_Massacre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGscoaUWW2M

Took me a bit to process all of those links.

I hadn't heard of the Hillsborough disaster, but that sounds truly awful. I don't think I understand the role of the press and misinformation, however. I gather that the event so badly reported by the Sun that it led to a significant loss of credibility among the public. But I don't understand why they were pushing those lies to begin with. What was everyone hoping to achieve by blaming the fans? Was it just to shift the blame away from the stadium owners?

Hadn't heard of the "Peterloo Massacre" either. I am similarly left with so many questions. A massive protest breaks out, and the city calls in the local cavalry who charge in with drawn sabres and trample everyone. And the response is the passage of new acts that aim to crackdown future meetings and reform movements? Well, this is all sounding FAR too similar to recent events over here...

Interesting that it led to the creation of "The Guardian," though. That's a noble origin for a paper.

I enjoyed, once again, your snippet from another episode of "Yes, Minister."

The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country.
The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country.
The Times is read by the people who actually do run the country.
The Daily Mirror is read by the wives of the people who run the country.
Financial Times is read by people who own the country.
The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country.
The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.
... The Sun readers don't care who runs the country, so long as she's got big tits.

Johanneslanden wrote:That's interesting. LotF was written to combat the hundreds of stories being churned out at the time of groups of British boys being marooned and keeping the "british stiff upper lip", and trying to imagine what would happen if a group of small schoolboys were actually stuck on an island without any adults for a prolonged period of time. So, nice to know LotF isn't the scenario that would always play out.

Ah, I hadn't heard that motivation for writing the novel. It came out after WWII, though, so quite understandable that pessimism about humanity was on his mind. But yes, the story did give me a little hope...though I wonder how much of it had to do with the culture of the Tongan boys? I wonder how a group of American boys would fare in such a situation...

Johanneslanden wrote:The Guardian's one of the most reputable ones. We're encouraged to use it as a source for essays etc.
although it's left-wing, so it's got bias truth

Fixed that for you :P

Iggly Iggle wrote:I feel that 'The Times' is probably one of the most honest British newspapers. I'm not a big fan of others, though, such as 'The Daily Mirror' or 'The Sun'.

That's good to know, thanks. How do you feel it compares to The Guardian?

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