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Ioudaia wrote:I would have expected something like that for UBI, if large enough, but not negative income tax. Gotta link or citation handy?

Isn't UBI basically a negative income tax?

Ioudaia wrote:I would have expected something like that for UBI, if large enough, but not negative income tax. Gotta link or citation handy?

Negative income tax is pretty much just UBI but it only qualifies if you make below a certain threshold. It's still free money that comes in that predatory capitalism will eat because it's there. It's already expensive being poor and having more money obtained in this way means the poor will just be taken advantage of more

Parthagonia

Good afternoon. It is I, Parthagonia, here to say that I am new to Nationstates and this wonderful region of the Western Isles. I was looking for a lovely roleplay place to call home and you guys fit the bill. So alas, here I am. the welcome message asked me to answer these following questions:

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Q- How did you hear about The Western Isles?

A- Was looking through all the potential homes, this place and another called Enadia were the final two. I chose this one over the other mainly due to you guys seemed a lot more into the roleplay and a bit better at it. you all seemed experienced and more adept at it. Also, I could actually see your roleplay threads and map, Unlike Enadia.

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Q- What's some information about yourself (hobbies, interests, country, etc.)?

A- Umm, I live in the USA, but I have mostly Western European blood in me and most of my family come from there. I am only the 3rd generation to be born and raised in the states, my grandfather was the first. I am mostly French, with some Northern Alps Italian and Swiss in me. the French immigrants that were my ancestors came to the new world during the 7 years war to help the French colonists in the Quebecois region, where he fell in love with a native american women. centuries down the line here I am. throw in Italian merchants crossing the Alps and loving French girls as well as Swiss mercenaries also falling in love with French women, and my bloodline is born. So French, Northern Italian, Swiss and Quebecois Native American.
Hobbies would most likely be my fondness for the outdoors and walks in the wilderness, gaming, reading and writing, history politics and philosophy. the latter 3 I am very much a novice at. I could and would love to have hours long conversations with you all regarding history and your opinions and points of view on them.

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Q-What kind of nation are you trying to make?

A- Most Likely an old fashioned constitutional Monarchy, much like the ones you might of seen before and during the 1st world war, with some personal twists of course. A benevolent and well loved monarch would some power as a meritocratic and semi voted on parliament would do most of the work. past that and on the smaller more local scale I would include a more direct style of democracy. in your own towns and on a one to one scale, you control your own towns government because you are your towns government. however you still answer to the chambers of Parliament, you take advisement and some answers from the King or Queen themselves. I'm hoping to successfully mix the cultures of differing nations, mostly alps Italian, Swiss, French and perhaps Portuguese. I would love an old storied nation filled with history and culture, but could also hold its own at the diplomacy, economic and military tables. however I don't want a sprawling superpower. A Chinese; American; Russian power nation is undesirable. An elegant, peaceful nation is however, desirable. A coastal or island nation would be preferred, where most of the armed forces pay would go to the Naval forces, with the air force coming next. An export and industrial nation is also preferred.

Hopefully, I can fit in well here!

Parthagonia

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Parthagonia wrote:Good afternoon. (novel)
Hopefully, I can fit in well here!

Welcome to The Western Isles! Based on the research you seem to have done, you're probably already familiar with the dispatch below. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask!

Welcome!

LinkHello there. Thanks for joining the Western Isles!

You must be wondering what you can do here and how, what is expected of you and how to start role-playing... I'll try to answer these questions in this dispatch.

First of all, if you haven't done so already - go ahead and introduce yourself on our regional message board (RMB). You can post things like what country you're from, if you're new to NationStates or to role-playing (RP), what kind of a nation you want to create, and anything else you'd like to share.

About the Region

Where do we communicate?

  • IC communication (in-character, meaning role-playing) is done on the NationStates forums

  • OOC communication (out-of-character, from general chatting to world-building) is done on the RMB

  • Telegrams are usually OOC

We don't have offsite forums, so you don't have to worry about missing something else.

How does this region work?

We have a democratically elected government (you can run for office) which is in-charge of several aspects of the region:

  • Facilitating RP and promoting world-building and cooperation in the region

  • Managing the region in terms of regional rules and standards

  • Recruiting new players and managing our embassies with other regions

To really understand how we do, you can read through the following dispatches when you get a chance:

  • The Constitution - It details the responsibilities of the various government officers and the Founder, as well as the processes of legislation and elections in the region. Of course, there's no need to remember it all, but it's there if you need it.

  • The Regional Rules and Conduct - That's just... The rules. You know, don't be a jerk to others, don't spam the RMB, and so on. The map rules are also there, but we'll get to that in a minute.

  • The Regional information dispatch - Contains current and updating information about the region (recent stats of the region, weekly updates, important daily events, etc.).

  • The Regional Links dispatch - Contains useful links to other regional guides or interesting dispatches (list of alliances, the regional militia, World Assembly guide, guides on RP, and more).

This is confusing... Can anyone help?

Of course, most of us can. If you still have questions, you can do either of the following:

Your address for questions regarding specific RP rules (can this be done? can I take over that? can I have that size? etc.) is the Sec. of RP (Thuzbekistan). Feel free to tag him in your RMB post or to TG him.

About Role-Playing in the Region

How do I get a spot on the map?

Our regional map is the basis of our RP, and it is therefore reserved for nations who actively engage in RP or plan to do so. Before asking a spot, please first make sure you have at least one nation-building factbook (relating to some aspect of your nation) and at least one forum post.

To be added to the map, send Vancouvia a telegram with answers to several simple questions - they are listed under "Map Rules" in the Regional Rules and Conduct dispatch. In order to stay on the map, you need to be relatively active in regional RP. nation-building dispatches or RP posts in the forums at least once week or so, should be enough.

How do I develop my nation?

Here in this region we don't use NationStates stats at all. Population, economic status, main industries, defense budget - All of those things are up to you, the player, to decide! Make factbooks or dispatches describing your nation's culture, history, religion, government, budget, climate, military, science, industries, people, corporations, trade deals, and anything else you can think of.

Are there limitations?

RP in this region is based on realism and modern-technology, so keep your nation in those limits. There are a few other guidelines we have in place to keep things balanced, for example:

If you're having trouble coming up with realistic numbers, just search Wikipedia for information on the real-world countries your nation is based on (or related to), and use that. Remember that this is an island region, and that our nations are not the largest and richest in the world - so, for instence, don't take the size and scope of the US' armed forces as an example, and don't take China's economy as an example. Try to find a realistic balance that would fit an island nation. Tip: There are no "perfect" nations - all nations have their strengths and their weaknesses. The Sec. of Role-play (Thuzbekistan) or other members of the region can help you design your nation as well.

Other than that - the limit is your own creativity. Feel free to look around and read other nations' factbooks and dispatches for ideas. See for example:

For other interesting, creative, or highly informative factbooks by members of the region, check out The Western Isles Factbook Spotlight. Take some time to look around, get to know the other players and the region as a whole, and develop your nation. I recommend doing that before getting into RP.

Alright, what now? Where do I RP?

You can get to the region's ongoing RPs and events in either of the following ways:

  • Through the "Ongoing Events and Perpetual RPs" in the region's main page

  • Through the Active RPs of the Western Isles dispatch, which contains the region's RPs

As a start, I recommend reading the recent posts in the regional news thread and posting some of your own, before moving on to more complex RPs. This would allow players of the region to get acquainted with your nation.

And of course - you can always think of your own idea for an RP based on or in your nation, and recruit or interest others to join. I also recommend checking out the region's Alliances and Trade Agreements dispatch, where you might find other nations with similar interests and players to RP with; and the region's Marketplace, where you might find storefronts and corporations seeking to expand.

NS is full of useful guides for the technical or procedural aspect or RPing. This one, for example, is short and to the point. I've also published one myself, about RPing in our region. There are many more RP guides and tip dispatches or threads around the site - feel free to explore and learn more about RPing.

As always, for any question on RPing in the region or in general, feel free to ask on the RMB or send a personal TG to the Sec. of RP or any of the active members.

Read factbook

Ioudaia, Ostehaar, and Parthagonia

Parthagonia

Nhoor wrote:Welcome to The Western Isles! Based on the research you seem to have done, you're probably already familiar with the dispatch below. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask!

Welcome!

LinkHello there. Thanks for joining the Western Isles!

You must be wondering what you can do here and how, what is expected of you and how to start role-playing... I'll try to answer these questions in this dispatch.

First of all, if you haven't done so already - go ahead and introduce yourself on our regional message board (RMB). You can post things like what country you're from, if you're new to NationStates or to role-playing (RP), what kind of a nation you want to create, and anything else you'd like to share.

About the Region

Where do we communicate?

  • IC communication (in-character, meaning role-playing) is done on the NationStates forums

  • OOC communication (out-of-character, from general chatting to world-building) is done on the RMB

  • Telegrams are usually OOC

We don't have offsite forums, so you don't have to worry about missing something else.

How does this region work?

We have a democratically elected government (you can run for office) which is in-charge of several aspects of the region:

  • Facilitating RP and promoting world-building and cooperation in the region

  • Managing the region in terms of regional rules and standards

  • Recruiting new players and managing our embassies with other regions

To really understand how we do, you can read through the following dispatches when you get a chance:

  • The Constitution - It details the responsibilities of the various government officers and the Founder, as well as the processes of legislation and elections in the region. Of course, there's no need to remember it all, but it's there if you need it.

  • The Regional Rules and Conduct - That's just... The rules. You know, don't be a jerk to others, don't spam the RMB, and so on. The map rules are also there, but we'll get to that in a minute.

  • The Regional information dispatch - Contains current and updating information about the region (recent stats of the region, weekly updates, important daily events, etc.).

  • The Regional Links dispatch - Contains useful links to other regional guides or interesting dispatches (list of alliances, the regional militia, World Assembly guide, guides on RP, and more).

This is confusing... Can anyone help?

Of course, most of us can. If you still have questions, you can do either of the following:

Your address for questions regarding specific RP rules (can this be done? can I take over that? can I have that size? etc.) is the Sec. of RP (Thuzbekistan). Feel free to tag him in your RMB post or to TG him.

About Role-Playing in the Region

How do I get a spot on the map?

Our regional map is the basis of our RP, and it is therefore reserved for nations who actively engage in RP or plan to do so. Before asking a spot, please first make sure you have at least one nation-building factbook (relating to some aspect of your nation) and at least one forum post.

To be added to the map, send Vancouvia a telegram with answers to several simple questions - they are listed under "Map Rules" in the Regional Rules and Conduct dispatch. In order to stay on the map, you need to be relatively active in regional RP. nation-building dispatches or RP posts in the forums at least once week or so, should be enough.

How do I develop my nation?

Here in this region we don't use NationStates stats at all. Population, economic status, main industries, defense budget - All of those things are up to you, the player, to decide! Make factbooks or dispatches describing your nation's culture, history, religion, government, budget, climate, military, science, industries, people, corporations, trade deals, and anything else you can think of.

Are there limitations?

RP in this region is based on realism and modern-technology, so keep your nation in those limits. There are a few other guidelines we have in place to keep things balanced, for example:

If you're having trouble coming up with realistic numbers, just search Wikipedia for information on the real-world countries your nation is based on (or related to), and use that. Remember that this is an island region, and that our nations are not the largest and richest in the world - so, for instence, don't take the size and scope of the US' armed forces as an example, and don't take China's economy as an example. Try to find a realistic balance that would fit an island nation. Tip: There are no "perfect" nations - all nations have their strengths and their weaknesses. The Sec. of Role-play (Thuzbekistan) or other members of the region can help you design your nation as well.

Other than that - the limit is your own creativity. Feel free to look around and read other nations' factbooks and dispatches for ideas. See for example:

For other interesting, creative, or highly informative factbooks by members of the region, check out The Western Isles Factbook Spotlight. Take some time to look around, get to know the other players and the region as a whole, and develop your nation. I recommend doing that before getting into RP.

Alright, what now? Where do I RP?

You can get to the region's ongoing RPs and events in either of the following ways:

  • Through the "Ongoing Events and Perpetual RPs" in the region's main page

  • Through the Active RPs of the Western Isles dispatch, which contains the region's RPs

As a start, I recommend reading the recent posts in the regional news thread and posting some of your own, before moving on to more complex RPs. This would allow players of the region to get acquainted with your nation.

And of course - you can always think of your own idea for an RP based on or in your nation, and recruit or interest others to join. I also recommend checking out the region's Alliances and Trade Agreements dispatch, where you might find other nations with similar interests and players to RP with; and the region's Marketplace, where you might find storefronts and corporations seeking to expand.

NS is full of useful guides for the technical or procedural aspect or RPing. This one, for example, is short and to the point. I've also published one myself, about RPing in our region. There are many more RP guides and tip dispatches or threads around the site - feel free to explore and learn more about RPing.

As always, for any question on RPing in the region or in general, feel free to ask on the RMB or send a personal TG to the Sec. of RP or any of the active members.

Read factbook

I did not see that, I just looked at some of your links to the forums in the box in top of the page and your map. thanks for the link! I question I do have is that there any lingo or things you guys say that a newbie like me wouldn't know? For example if you said dispatch without posting the link I wouldn't know what you were talking about.

Parthagonia wrote:I did not see that, I just looked at some of your links to the forums in the box in top of the page and your map. thanks for the link! I question I do have is that there any lingo or things you guys say that a newbie like me wouldn't know? For example if you said dispatch without posting the link I wouldn't know what you were talking about.

There probably are some abbreviations like RMB (Regional Message Board, where we are now), TG (telegram, the thing you just sent me), WA (World Assembly, which we generally ignore here but every once in a while the RMB is flooded with our complaints about the TG's that the WA sends us). For most people here certain things have become so common that they don't know anymore that newbies couldn't know yet. If you encounter anything like this, just ask; no questions are stupid. I have been here for almost 1.5 years now and I still won't claim that I know everything.

Wellsia and Parthagonia

Parthagonia

Nhoor wrote:There probably are some abbreviations like RMB (Regional Message Board, where we are now), TG (telegram, the thing you just sent me), WA (World Assembly, which we generally ignore here but every once in a while the RMB is flooded with our complaints about the TG's that the WA sends us). For most people here certain things have become so common that they don't know anymore that newbies couldn't know yet. If you encounter anything like this, just ask; no questions are stupid. I have been here for almost 1.5 years now and I still won't claim that I know everything.

Awsome, thank you. The WA sends people tg's

(I feel a bit better and will fit in more, yet like a youngster hipster teen with these abbreviations, and i'm only 23! XD)

Parthagonia wrote:(I feel a bit better and will fit in more, yet like a youngster hipster teen with these abbreviations, and i'm only 23! XD)

No worries; there are younger participants here and most are probably around your age. I myself am 42 but I think I am one of the few older than 35/40 here.

Parthagonia

Nhoor wrote:No worries; there are younger participants here and most are probably around your age. I myself am 42 but I think I am one of the few older than 35/40 here.

I would of never guessed your age. Also seeing something in one of the dispatches, I heard your the most handsome man in the Western Isles?

Parthagonia wrote:Awsome, thank you. The WA sends people tg's

(I feel a bit better and will fit in more, yet like a youngster hipster teen with these abbreviations, and i'm only 23! XD)

That's about the average.

Parthagonia

Miklania wrote:That's about the average.

Hey there. What's your age, if you dont mind me asking?

Parthagonia

The one factbook I have (link directly below)

Population
18 million, rounded up

GDP, PPP
$509 billion, 400 million

GDP, Per Capita
$28,300

Inflation, CPI
0.4

Population below poverty line
3%. Additional 8.7% at risk of poverty or social exclusion

Labour Force
11,121,173
83.2% employment rate (Target: 90%)

Labour Force by sector
agriculture: 4.2%
industry: 24.2%
services: 71.6%

Unemployment
3.4% among adults over 20 years of age
6.5% among miners and youth between ages 18 to 20

509400000000

Read factbook

Is that good enough starting post to get a spot on the map?

Shidei wrote:Negative income tax is pretty much just UBI but it only qualifies if you make below a certain threshold. It's still free money that comes in that predatory capitalism will eat because it's there. It's already expensive being poor and having more money obtained in this way means the poor will just be taken advantage of more

Sounds like we should establish more protections for poor people

Parthagonia wrote:The one factbook I have (link directly below)

Population
18 million, rounded up

GDP, PPP
$509 billion, 400 million

GDP, Per Capita
$28,300

Inflation, CPI
0.4

Population below poverty line
3%. Additional 8.7% at risk of poverty or social exclusion

Labour Force
11,121,173
83.2% employment rate (Target: 90%)

Labour Force by sector
agriculture: 4.2%
industry: 24.2%
services: 71.6%

Unemployment
3.4% among adults over 20 years of age
6.5% among miners and youth between ages 18 to 20

509400000000

Read factbook

Is that good enough starting post to get a spot on the map?

Your GDPPC is way too high. There's a cap limit of $30.000

Parthagonia

Seneica wrote:Your GDPPC is way too high. There's a cap limit of $30.000

Alright, I will immediately get to work on that. thank you for letting me know.

Parthagonia wrote:The one factbook I have (link directly below)

Population
18 million, rounded up

GDP, PPP
$509 billion, 400 million

GDP, Per Capita
$28,300

Inflation, CPI
0.4

Population below poverty line
3%. Additional 8.7% at risk of poverty or social exclusion

Labour Force
11,121,173
83.2% employment rate (Target: 90%)

Labour Force by sector
agriculture: 4.2%
industry: 24.2%
services: 71.6%

Unemployment
3.4% among adults over 20 years of age
6.5% among miners and youth between ages 18 to 20

509400000000

Read factbook

Is that good enough starting post to get a spot on the map?

Your GDPPC cannot be larger than 40,000 and to go beyond 30,000 (Which is the soft cap) I would enjoy seeing good reasons from an economic perspective and how it will affect your RP. But yeah, having a factbook should be good enough from Van's perspective I imagine, be sure to TG him. Welcome to the region. I am your friendly Secretary of RP, Aizcona.

Parthagonia wrote:I would of never guessed your age. Also seeing something in one of the dispatches, I heard your the most handsome man in the Western Isles?

Thanks! That picture is from before the lockdown of course, but tomorrow I will meet the local Dresser of Hayrs to put me back in order.

Dragao do Mar and Parthagonia

Seneica wrote:Your GDPPC is way too high. There's a cap limit of $30.000

I got this one holmes, soft cap of 30,000 btw. Hard of 40,000 and you'll need reasons both from an economic perspective and RP perspective for me to sign off.

Parthagonia

Nhoor wrote:Thanks! That picture is from before the lockdown of course, but tomorrow I will meet the local Dresser of Hayrs to put me back in order.

Make sure to have the most precious of jewels lining your silk robes, my lord.

Seneica wrote:Your GDPPC is way too high. There's a cap limit of $30.000

Aizcona wrote:I got this one holmes, soft cap of 30,000 btw. Hard of 40,000 and you'll need reasons both from an economic perspective and RP perspective for me to sign off.

How is the factbook now? I will update the mirrored dispatch if you two give the OK.

Parthagonia wrote:Make sure to have the most precious of jewels lining your silk robes, my lord.

How is the factbook now? I will update the mirrored dispatch if you two give the OK.

Oh, it's not up to me. Talk to Aizcona, he's the man for the job :)

Nhoor, Aizcona, and Parthagonia

Parthagonia

Seneica wrote:Oh, it's not up to me. Talk to Aizcona, he's the man for the job :)

ok uhhh... holmes.

Parthagonia wrote:Make sure to have the most precious of jewels lining your silk robes, my lord.

How is the factbook now? I will update the mirrored dispatch if you two give the OK.

I mean there's nothing wrong with it. I mean what are you hoping for out of RP here? That's kinda gonna determine what you want to do with your nation size and what not, but honestly that's kind of a handwavy issue.

Might want to think about what kind of economy your nation will have and look at nations that might be similar to what you're looking for. Are there any industries you want to be key players? Is your economy still heavily reliant on agriculture? Has it transitioned well into tertiary sectors or is manufacturing the dominant component of the GDP? Stuff like that, also helps to look at the factbooks of other nations around here.

If you have questions feel free to ask :)

Parthagonia

Aizcona wrote:I mean there's nothing wrong with it. I mean what are you hoping for out of RP here? That's kinda gonna determine what you want to do with your nation size and what not, but honestly that's kind of a handwavy issue.

Might want to think about what kind of economy your nation will have and look at nations that might be similar to what you're looking for. Are there any industries you want to be key players? Is your economy still heavily reliant on agriculture? Has it transitioned well into tertiary sectors or is manufacturing the dominant component of the GDP? Stuff like that, also helps to look at the factbooks of other nations around here.

If you have questions feel free to ask :)

I'm looking for a home grown economy with tons of exports and a large industry sector, not unlike Germany's. Of course I cannot be as large as theirs. I just want to see people have my nations products, and know that they are made with pride and high quality.

Parthagonia wrote:Make sure to have the most precious of jewels lining your silk robes, my lord.

Despite being a monarchist, I somehow never got around to the jewel thing or any other external expression of wealth. Basically I may be a monarchist in marxist disguise.. 🤔

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