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Danelaw Scandinavia wrote:

I know. I'm saying it wouldnt be in the way our World War happened at the least.

There are endless amounts of alternative universes which end up showing World War 1 not happening. I could atleast predict that the German Empire would be abolished through natural means, it might lose some land and cede some of Prussia to Poland giving it a coast. The colonies of the other countries such as France and Britain would possibly decolonize through some riots after the world war not happening. The United States would possibly be in an isolationist state, since WW1 was the first time it was involved in European affairs, and the Cold war would continue on, with Germany being just another country in Europe, a possible powerhouse through it all.

Danelaw Scandinavia wrote:

Yes. The reason why I said if Bismark wasnt Fired could've stopped WW1 was that he could've helped Wilhelm navigate the times.

Bismarck quit because there was no helping Wilhelm. The Kaiser had a serious inferiority complex.

The problem with the whole "What If x?" thing, particularly in this case where so much would have to change for WW1 not to happen, is that eventually, the world you're looking at is so far from our own, it's literally a pointless endeavour to even investigate. WW1 would have happened in some capacity, admittedly potentially differently, simply because of how a million things had fallen over the previous 2-300 years. For it to not happen, you would have had to change so much history to the point of it becoming utterly pointless and unrealistic.

EDIT: What i mean is, is that eventually, the thing you're arguing isn't the thing it was in the real world; I.E. for germany to win WW2, for instance, it'd literally have to ditch the nazis, in which case, WW2 wouldn't likely have happened (EDIT 2:) anyway, but again, it's just pointless as that's not a real likelihood, and is therefore pointless.

DarKspawnerreich wrote:

Bismarck quit because there was no helping Wilhelm. The Kaiser had a serious inferiority complex.

You do know Bismarck was forced to resign after he quarreled with the Emperor.

Terreich und Preussen wrote:

He died in 1898, WW1 started in 1914.

I know. But If Bismarck was able to help the Kaiser and guide the Kaiser from challenging Britain Navally and mightve convinced the Kaiser to keep a great relationship with Britain.

Danelaw Scandinavia wrote:

You do know Bismarck was forced to resign after he quarreled with the Emperor. I know. But If Bismarck was able to help the Kaiser and guide the Kaiser from challenging Britain Navally and mightve convinced the Kaiser to keep a great relationship with Britain.

Kaiser Wilhelm II never "forced" him to resign. But he surely steered him in that direction due to his unwillingness to listen.

Danelaw Scandinavia wrote:

....From All the sources I read and Heard, it said he was forced to resign in some capacity.

Can you find any example where the Kaiser told him to "resign or else"?

Kurikia wrote:

Current list of Valsoras largest Navy’s

Peats Navy over 800

OUs Navy 704

Imperial Kurikian Navy 627

San Sierran Navy 528

Kampfian Navy 507

KUSN 464

Imperial Merlovichan Navy 362

Scandinavian Navy 350

Charitin Navy 150

Levantine Navy 80

How the hell can Peat maintain a Navy of over 800 ships? Are they fishing boats?

Terreich und Preussen wrote:

How the hell can Peat maintain a Navy of over 800 ships? Are they fishing boats?

I think it is I was not even gonna add him till he threw a fit lol

DarKspawnerreich wrote:

Can you find any example where the Kaiser told him to "resign or else"?

I found this,
https://www.britannica.com/place/German-Empire/The-fall-of-Bismarck
And a few other places.
Like Extra Credits.

Danelaw Scandinavia wrote:

I found this,
https://www.britannica.com/place/German-Empire/The-fall-of-Bismarck
And a few other places.
Like Extra Credits.

Ah, in that case it seemed more like pressure and his situation where what caused him to resign. No one would lay a finger on Bismarck, the guy who made the German Empire, but they didn't have to. His sour relationship with the Kaiser would bring about his downfall. I suppose it is correct to say he was forced to resign in a way, but context is especially important.

Danelaw Scandinavia wrote:

Yes.

Damn. Honestly feel sorry for the guy. He was in his old years attempting to do right by the Country he was fundamental in creating, only for everyone to eventually turn against him.

Peatiktist wrote:

I did a presentation on this.
Wilhem told Bismarck he could resign himself, or be thrown out.
60% of the armed forces budget to the navy. But 800 is an overestimate.
I did not.

o<o~Can you gib quote link?

DarKspawnerreich wrote:

Damn. Honestly feel sorry for the guy. He was in his old years attempting to do right by the Country he was fundamental in creating, only for everyone to eventually turn against him.

o<o~Can you gib quote link?

Yeah. Thats also why I said if Frederick the III survived his disease WW1 would've been changed. Another thing that could've changed everything is if Franz chose a different date or his Driver didnt stop near that Sandwich Shop.