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United western state

Dynobot wrote:Sup guys

Howdy! Welcome to Europe but better

Some open land

Donotcomehere wrote:Maybe start a debate about communism and capitalism that always gets the region moving

Capitalism cannot work because it has been the source of pain of the proletariat.

United western state and Some open land

Donotcomehere wrote:Capitalism cannot work because it has been the source of pain of the proletariat.

Agreed. Adding on to your point, a government cannot properly protect its people from economic problems like depressions or recessions under capitalism and in these events, the poorer one is, the more they're punished.

United western state and Some open land

United western state

I'm in full support of this debate. Yet there appears to be no counter argument.......

Some open land

Some open land

Rastalingrad wrote:Agreed. Adding on to your point, a government cannot properly protect its people from economic problems like depressions or recessions under capitalism and in these events, the poorer one is, the more they're punished.

United western state wrote:I'm in full support of this debate. Yet there appears to be no counter argument.......

Yeah so I'll step up rn since it seems nobody else will and say that the free market is always able to recover from any economic problems and Government intervention does very little for the economy.

United western state and Cujodega

Some open land wrote:Yeah so I'll step up rn since it seems nobody else will and say that the free market is always able to recover from any economic problems and Government intervention does very little for the economy.

This is true. Source: 2008 Bailouts

United western state and Rastalingrad

Some open land

Cujodega wrote:This is true. Source: 2008 Bailouts

Also would like to cite the great depression since the new deal was mainly preventative for future problems and it was WW2 that gave the US economy the manufacturing boost, thus a boost in income and thus, spending per person.

Some open land wrote:Also would like to cite the great depression since the new deal was mainly preventative for future problems and it was WW2 that gave the US economy the manufacturing boost, thus a boost in income and thus, spending per person.

I might remind you that a war is a government action and the US was recovering faster with FDR'S New Deal policy than Herbert Hoover's hands off policy.

Cujodega wrote:This is true. Source: 2008 Bailouts

In what regards were the 2008 bailouts a failure?

Timurdesh

Some open land wrote:Yeah so I'll step up rn since it seems nobody else will and say that the free market is always able to recover from any economic problems and Government intervention does very little for the economy.

Yes but there won’t be any economic problems in a planned economy. As long as it’s planned correctly (as it usually isn’t *cough* DPRK). I’ll have to say capitalism wouldn’t work as there’ll always be income inequality. Sorry, but that’s the truth.

Rastalingrad wrote:I might remind you that a war is a government action and the US was recovering faster with FDR'S New Deal policy than Herbert Hoover's hands off policy.

In what regards were the 2008 bailouts a failure?

Hoover did not have a hands off policy. He raised taxes, tariffs, and built infrastructure. He also famously cut veteran bonuses, leading to the Bonus Army. FDR's New Deal policies didn't do much to solve the Depression, and it only started getting better in the late 30's and early 40's, as American war manufacturing took off.

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If anyone wants to vote in my new poll, I would love that. Thanks in advance.

Cujodega wrote:Hoover did not have a hands off policy. He raised taxes, tariffs, and built infrastructure. He also famously cut veteran bonuses, leading to the Bonus Army. FDR's New Deal policies didn't do much to solve the Depression, and it only started getting better in the late 30's and early 40's, as American war manufacturing took off.

New Deal and hands off are both hella unusable, they’re both really capitalist. Yes Hoover built infrastructure, raised taxes, and tariffs. All of this is taking it on the proletariat. If you look at Yugoslavia they had the perfect type of communism, one that worked with the efficiency of the Soviet Union without all that bloodshed. Yes, Yugoslav civil war and stuff, but that came after Tito. Stop tying socialism to FDR and Hoover, they’re both so far right they’re gonna fall off the right side of the spectrum.

Federationofamerica wrote:If anyone wants to vote in my new poll, I would love that. Thanks in advance.

I would but I haven't been around that long and don't put that much time into keeping tabs on that kind of thing. I mostly jump on answer the five or so things and jump off so my vote wouldn't be fair so I'll just keep myself out of the poll.

United western state and Federationofamerica

Donotcomehere wrote:New Deal and hands off are both hella unusable, they’re both really capitalist. Yes Hoover built infrastructure, raised taxes, and tariffs. All of this is taking it on the proletariat. If you look at Yugoslavia they had the perfect type of communism, one that worked with the efficiency of the Soviet Union without all that bloodshed. Yes, Yugoslav civil war and stuff, but that came after Tito. Stop tying socialism to FDR and Hoover, they’re both so far right they’re gonna fall off the right side of the spectrum.

I never tied capitalism to FDR or Hoover, I was simply stating that Hoover did not have a hands off policy during the depression and that the New Deal, while important (and even great in most circumstances) did not accomplish its main goal, ending the Great Depression. Side note: did you know that until 1929, the term for the Panic of 1877 was the Great Depression?

United western state

Why are you even talking about the Great Depression? That’s something that only happened in capitalist countries, where in the Soviet Union it never happened

New poll in Zentari. Come and vote!

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Donotcomehere wrote:Why are you even talking about the Great Depression? That’s something that only happened in capitalist countries, where in the Soviet Union it never happened

Yes, the Depressions never happened in Soviet Russia. Just rampant political suppression and famines.

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Ooof, I just got an issue where the only option was to launch nukes.

Big oof

Should we join the Regional Charter?

Regions Assembly Charter

by Regions assembly

REGIONS ASSEMBLY CHARTER
PREAMBLE

We are One, the Regions of NationStates united in an interregional effort to persuit cooperation and peace. In an attempt by democratic regional governments to unite in diversity, with the idea of extending and promoting democratic norms and freedoms and to engage in cordate and democratic deliberation in the field of interregional diplomacy and cooperation. Have the founding regions in this Charter affirmed the equality between regions and the principle of regional sovereignty in order to arrive at a new and democratic world order.

ARTICLE ONE | PRINCIPLES

The Purpose of the Regions Assembly (RA) is to bring Regions as sovereign entities together in deliberation and to create and develop a new and interregional roleplay and gameplay community.

ARTICLE TWO | THE MEMBER REGIONS

The Organisation (RA) and its members, in pursuit of the Purposes shall act on the bases of the sovereign equality of all its Members. Members shall be:

  • Membership in the Organisation of the Regional Assembly is open to all other Sovereign Regions which accept the obligations contained in the present Charter and, in the judgment of the Organization, are able and willing to carry out these obligations.

  • The admission of any such Sovereign Region to membership in the Regions Assembly will be effected by a decision of the General Assembly.

    ASSOCIATED MEMBER:

  • Regions who have partially entered as party to an associated body or treaty in association of the Interregional Community, shall be an 'associated member' of the Regions Assembly. The Associated membership can be given to a sovereign region by the General Assembly, or through the associated institutions internal proceedings.

    OBSERVER NON MEMBER:

  • There shall be also the possibility for sovereign regions to be a 'non member observer' to the Regions Assembly, this can be granted by the General Assembly. They shall have the right of attending, observing and receiving information on the working and proceedings of the Regions Assembly, with out the right of taking part in any decision-making process.

ARTICLE THREE | the GENERAL ASSEMBLY

There shall be established as principal institutions of the Regions Assembly the "General Assembly, which shall create resolutions by majority agreement, any other subsidiary-institution can be created by the General Assembly.

  • Every member Region shall send a permanent representative to the General Assembly, which shall hold one vote and all votes shall be equal, the Assembly decides by normal majority.

  • The Statutes and working of the General Assembly shall be decided upon by a Special meeting of the General Assembly, by a two third vote, where the workings and functions of the institution can be decided upon.

SUBSECTION TWO - Authorities of the General Assembly

  • the General Assembly shall produce non-binding resolutions upon its members, relating to any topic it deels necessary to discus or create an opinion on.

  • the General Assembly shall be the regulatory body of the Regions Assembly, and shall only create binding resolution upon its own organisation, and the RA as a whole in proceedings and or workings of the Regions Assembly as Interregional Organisation.

  • the General Assembly shall be a forum for interregional diplomacy and cooperation, the General Assembly can create by majority treaties or other international norms, however each region (member) shall remain the right to ratify at own desire thus created international treaties.

  • Besides of subsidiary institutions, Other intergouvernemental organisation can be created and attached or registered under the Regions Assembly, which shall be established by treaty based structure, and organised by its founding treaty structure, these interregional organisations shall be know as 'associated' interregional organisations.

ARTICLE FOUR | the SECRETARIAT

the Secretary General shall be elected by majority vote in the General Assembly, and shall have the task to organise and maintain the day to day working of the Regions Assembly. The Secretary General shall be the highest executive officer, and diplomat of the Organisation. Therefore the officer is tasked with the workings of the General Assembly.

ARTICLE FIVE | the INTERREGIONAL JUDICIAL COURT

There shall be within the Regions Assembly an Interregional Judicial High Court available to the member regions.

  • the Courts authority shall not breach the sovereignty of its members;

  • the Authority of the Court shall only be upon this Charter and the binding international norms created within the jurisdiction of the Regions Assembly, as is specifically mentioned in any deposited treaty.

  • Member regions can deposit at own will treaties and other legal documents to the court which can be considered as jurisprudencia to the Court.

  • Any other international norm or agreement with a concrete mentioning and allocation of the Courts ipso facto judicial allocation, shall be accepted as deposito towards the Court.

  • Any member can at all time, voluntary and at own initiative give authority to the Court by an indefinite or a temporary mandated accreditation.

SUBSECTION TWO - the college of Judges

The Judges of the Court or, 'the College of Judges', shall be composed of one (Chief/highest) Justice of each member region. All judges sitting in the college shall be known as a "Prime Judge", when acting under the obligation of the Interregional Judicial High Court. Among themselves there shall be one 'High Judge', chosen in conclave. The High Judge, shall be a permanent judge under the working of the Regions Assembly.

The Prime Judges may remain in function of their own regional court obligations, if the judicial branch is independent.

The Court shall act as an independent institution of the Regions Assembly creating and publishing it's own organisational structure and rules of procedures, according to the General Assembly's approval.

  • Any Judicial Court Case cannot be reviewed by more than 15 Prime Judges, or less than 3 Prime Judges, and always in an uneven composition.

  • Prime Judges shall choose among themselves, ad hoc, the Prime Judges who shall have a seat accordingly to each case trial, recognizing and maintaining the Courts independence and neutrality during one of any case before the Court.

ARTICLE SIX

The Charter shall be open for amendments, by its members, with a two third majority agreement in the General Assembly, and no blocking veto of the Secretary General, the Member Regions remain in right to re-ratify any amendment.

[2019, May 28] -- Novus Lucidum
[2019, May 29] -- Northern Utopia
[2019, May 30] -- Republic of Free Nations
[2019, May 30] -- The Federation of the FA
[2019, June 3] -- Thaecia
[2019, June 3] -- Africa
[2019, June 10] -- Union of Democrats
[2019, June 10] -- India
[2019, June 7] -- Europe but Better

Read factbook

I made a new poll if you guys want to vote. It is open to everyone. Cheers!

Hey guys, sorry I haven't been on in some time but I'm back

Donotcomehere wrote:Should we join the Regional Charter?

Regions Assembly Charter

by Regions assembly

REGIONS ASSEMBLY CHARTER
PREAMBLE

We are One, the Regions of NationStates united in an interregional effort to persuit cooperation and peace. In an attempt by democratic regional governments to unite in diversity, with the idea of extending and promoting democratic norms and freedoms and to engage in cordate and democratic deliberation in the field of interregional diplomacy and cooperation. Have the founding regions in this Charter affirmed the equality between regions and the principle of regional sovereignty in order to arrive at a new and democratic world order.

ARTICLE ONE | PRINCIPLES

The Purpose of the Regions Assembly (RA) is to bring Regions as sovereign entities together in deliberation and to create and develop a new and interregional roleplay and gameplay community.

ARTICLE TWO | THE MEMBER REGIONS

The Organisation (RA) and its members, in pursuit of the Purposes shall act on the bases of the sovereign equality of all its Members. Members shall be:

  • Membership in the Organisation of the Regional Assembly is open to all other Sovereign Regions which accept the obligations contained in the present Charter and, in the judgment of the Organization, are able and willing to carry out these obligations.

  • The admission of any such Sovereign Region to membership in the Regions Assembly will be effected by a decision of the General Assembly.

    ASSOCIATED MEMBER:

  • Regions who have partially entered as party to an associated body or treaty in association of the Interregional Community, shall be an 'associated member' of the Regions Assembly. The Associated membership can be given to a sovereign region by the General Assembly, or through the associated institutions internal proceedings.

    OBSERVER NON MEMBER:

  • There shall be also the possibility for sovereign regions to be a 'non member observer' to the Regions Assembly, this can be granted by the General Assembly. They shall have the right of attending, observing and receiving information on the working and proceedings of the Regions Assembly, with out the right of taking part in any decision-making process.

ARTICLE THREE | the GENERAL ASSEMBLY

There shall be established as principal institutions of the Regions Assembly the "General Assembly, which shall create resolutions by majority agreement, any other subsidiary-institution can be created by the General Assembly.

  • Every member Region shall send a permanent representative to the General Assembly, which shall hold one vote and all votes shall be equal, the Assembly decides by normal majority.

  • The Statutes and working of the General Assembly shall be decided upon by a Special meeting of the General Assembly, by a two third vote, where the workings and functions of the institution can be decided upon.

SUBSECTION TWO - Authorities of the General Assembly

  • the General Assembly shall produce non-binding resolutions upon its members, relating to any topic it deels necessary to discus or create an opinion on.

  • the General Assembly shall be the regulatory body of the Regions Assembly, and shall only create binding resolution upon its own organisation, and the RA as a whole in proceedings and or workings of the Regions Assembly as Interregional Organisation.

  • the General Assembly shall be a forum for interregional diplomacy and cooperation, the General Assembly can create by majority treaties or other international norms, however each region (member) shall remain the right to ratify at own desire thus created international treaties.

  • Besides of subsidiary institutions, Other intergouvernemental organisation can be created and attached or registered under the Regions Assembly, which shall be established by treaty based structure, and organised by its founding treaty structure, these interregional organisations shall be know as 'associated' interregional organisations.

ARTICLE FOUR | the SECRETARIAT

the Secretary General shall be elected by majority vote in the General Assembly, and shall have the task to organise and maintain the day to day working of the Regions Assembly. The Secretary General shall be the highest executive officer, and diplomat of the Organisation. Therefore the officer is tasked with the workings of the General Assembly.

ARTICLE FIVE | the INTERREGIONAL JUDICIAL COURT

There shall be within the Regions Assembly an Interregional Judicial High Court available to the member regions.

  • the Courts authority shall not breach the sovereignty of its members;

  • the Authority of the Court shall only be upon this Charter and the binding international norms created within the jurisdiction of the Regions Assembly, as is specifically mentioned in any deposited treaty.

  • Member regions can deposit at own will treaties and other legal documents to the court which can be considered as jurisprudencia to the Court.

  • Any other international norm or agreement with a concrete mentioning and allocation of the Courts ipso facto judicial allocation, shall be accepted as deposito towards the Court.

  • Any member can at all time, voluntary and at own initiative give authority to the Court by an indefinite or a temporary mandated accreditation.

SUBSECTION TWO - the college of Judges

The Judges of the Court or, 'the College of Judges', shall be composed of one (Chief/highest) Justice of each member region. All judges sitting in the college shall be known as a "Prime Judge", when acting under the obligation of the Interregional Judicial High Court. Among themselves there shall be one 'High Judge', chosen in conclave. The High Judge, shall be a permanent judge under the working of the Regions Assembly.

The Prime Judges may remain in function of their own regional court obligations, if the judicial branch is independent.

The Court shall act as an independent institution of the Regions Assembly creating and publishing it's own organisational structure and rules of procedures, according to the General Assembly's approval.

  • Any Judicial Court Case cannot be reviewed by more than 15 Prime Judges, or less than 3 Prime Judges, and always in an uneven composition.

  • Prime Judges shall choose among themselves, ad hoc, the Prime Judges who shall have a seat accordingly to each case trial, recognizing and maintaining the Courts independence and neutrality during one of any case before the Court.

ARTICLE SIX

The Charter shall be open for amendments, by its members, with a two third majority agreement in the General Assembly, and no blocking veto of the Secretary General, the Member Regions remain in right to re-ratify any amendment.

[2019, May 28] -- Novus Lucidum
[2019, May 29] -- Northern Utopia
[2019, May 30] -- Republic of Free Nations
[2019, May 30] -- The Federation of the FA
[2019, June 3] -- Thaecia
[2019, June 3] -- Africa
[2019, June 10] -- Union of Democrats
[2019, June 10] -- India
[2019, June 7] -- Europe but Better

Read factbook

Upon reading it I vote yes. This sounds like a good move to make.

Rastalingrad and Leakli

Donotcomehere wrote:Should we join the Regional Charter?

Regions Assembly Charter

by Regions assembly

REGIONS ASSEMBLY CHARTER
PREAMBLE

We are One, the Regions of NationStates united in an interregional effort to persuit cooperation and peace. In an attempt by democratic regional governments to unite in diversity, with the idea of extending and promoting democratic norms and freedoms and to engage in cordate and democratic deliberation in the field of interregional diplomacy and cooperation. Have the founding regions in this Charter affirmed the equality between regions and the principle of regional sovereignty in order to arrive at a new and democratic world order.

ARTICLE ONE | PRINCIPLES

The Purpose of the Regions Assembly (RA) is to bring Regions as sovereign entities together in deliberation and to create and develop a new and interregional roleplay and gameplay community.

ARTICLE TWO | THE MEMBER REGIONS

The Organisation (RA) and its members, in pursuit of the Purposes shall act on the bases of the sovereign equality of all its Members. Members shall be:

  • Membership in the Organisation of the Regional Assembly is open to all other Sovereign Regions which accept the obligations contained in the present Charter and, in the judgment of the Organization, are able and willing to carry out these obligations.

  • The admission of any such Sovereign Region to membership in the Regions Assembly will be effected by a decision of the General Assembly.

    ASSOCIATED MEMBER:

  • Regions who have partially entered as party to an associated body or treaty in association of the Interregional Community, shall be an 'associated member' of the Regions Assembly. The Associated membership can be given to a sovereign region by the General Assembly, or through the associated institutions internal proceedings.

    OBSERVER NON MEMBER:

  • There shall be also the possibility for sovereign regions to be a 'non member observer' to the Regions Assembly, this can be granted by the General Assembly. They shall have the right of attending, observing and receiving information on the working and proceedings of the Regions Assembly, with out the right of taking part in any decision-making process.

ARTICLE THREE | the GENERAL ASSEMBLY

There shall be established as principal institutions of the Regions Assembly the "General Assembly, which shall create resolutions by majority agreement, any other subsidiary-institution can be created by the General Assembly.

  • Every member Region shall send a permanent representative to the General Assembly, which shall hold one vote and all votes shall be equal, the Assembly decides by normal majority.

  • The Statutes and working of the General Assembly shall be decided upon by a Special meeting of the General Assembly, by a two third vote, where the workings and functions of the institution can be decided upon.

SUBSECTION TWO - Authorities of the General Assembly

  • the General Assembly shall produce non-binding resolutions upon its members, relating to any topic it deels necessary to discus or create an opinion on.

  • the General Assembly shall be the regulatory body of the Regions Assembly, and shall only create binding resolution upon its own organisation, and the RA as a whole in proceedings and or workings of the Regions Assembly as Interregional Organisation.

  • the General Assembly shall be a forum for interregional diplomacy and cooperation, the General Assembly can create by majority treaties or other international norms, however each region (member) shall remain the right to ratify at own desire thus created international treaties.

  • Besides of subsidiary institutions, Other intergouvernemental organisation can be created and attached or registered under the Regions Assembly, which shall be established by treaty based structure, and organised by its founding treaty structure, these interregional organisations shall be know as 'associated' interregional organisations.

ARTICLE FOUR | the SECRETARIAT

the Secretary General shall be elected by majority vote in the General Assembly, and shall have the task to organise and maintain the day to day working of the Regions Assembly. The Secretary General shall be the highest executive officer, and diplomat of the Organisation. Therefore the officer is tasked with the workings of the General Assembly.

ARTICLE FIVE | the INTERREGIONAL JUDICIAL COURT

There shall be within the Regions Assembly an Interregional Judicial High Court available to the member regions.

  • the Courts authority shall not breach the sovereignty of its members;

  • the Authority of the Court shall only be upon this Charter and the binding international norms created within the jurisdiction of the Regions Assembly, as is specifically mentioned in any deposited treaty.

  • Member regions can deposit at own will treaties and other legal documents to the court which can be considered as jurisprudencia to the Court.

  • Any other international norm or agreement with a concrete mentioning and allocation of the Courts ipso facto judicial allocation, shall be accepted as deposito towards the Court.

  • Any member can at all time, voluntary and at own initiative give authority to the Court by an indefinite or a temporary mandated accreditation.

SUBSECTION TWO - the college of Judges

The Judges of the Court or, 'the College of Judges', shall be composed of one (Chief/highest) Justice of each member region. All judges sitting in the college shall be known as a "Prime Judge", when acting under the obligation of the Interregional Judicial High Court. Among themselves there shall be one 'High Judge', chosen in conclave. The High Judge, shall be a permanent judge under the working of the Regions Assembly.

The Prime Judges may remain in function of their own regional court obligations, if the judicial branch is independent.

The Court shall act as an independent institution of the Regions Assembly creating and publishing it's own organisational structure and rules of procedures, according to the General Assembly's approval.

  • Any Judicial Court Case cannot be reviewed by more than 15 Prime Judges, or less than 3 Prime Judges, and always in an uneven composition.

  • Prime Judges shall choose among themselves, ad hoc, the Prime Judges who shall have a seat accordingly to each case trial, recognizing and maintaining the Courts independence and neutrality during one of any case before the Court.

ARTICLE SIX

The Charter shall be open for amendments, by its members, with a two third majority agreement in the General Assembly, and no blocking veto of the Secretary General, the Member Regions remain in right to re-ratify any amendment.

[2019, May 28] -- Novus Lucidum
[2019, May 29] -- Northern Utopia
[2019, May 30] -- Republic of Free Nations
[2019, May 30] -- The Federation of the FA
[2019, June 3] -- Thaecia
[2019, June 3] -- Africa
[2019, June 10] -- Union of Democrats
[2019, June 10] -- India
[2019, June 7] -- Europe but Better

Read factbook

I vote yes.

United western state, Rastalingrad, Leakli, and Timurdesh

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