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Shavara wrote:

Annexation.

If the Confederate States won AND has annexed the United States, then Abraham Lincoln would have probably been executed and a new president would be elected. Not even a year later, a second American civil war would have started due to the Northern anger against the Confederacy's ideas, probably deadlier than the first one and harsher. The country would have been more segregated and people of different political opinion or ethnicity would strongly disagree with each other, meaning America would have been more unstable. I wouldn't have been born either.

Secession.

If the Confederate States won the war but have not annexed the Union, it would have been lands of European companies and slave trade, meaning the CSA would be too dependent on foreign trade and slavery combined rather than some bits of self-sufficiency and actual work. The United States would have still existed today, but it would be weaker and probably more unstable.

The Confederates were never intending to annex the rest of the country, they just wanted to break off. At most, they would've taken border states and territories like Kentucky or New Mexico.

But yeah, they would've certainly been highly tied to Britain and France because of their cash crops.

Edit:
Although they would've been pressured into giving up slavery like Peat said, if at the very least to raise their public image with the populations of their European trade partners/allies(?).

Hopefully there's a timeline where the Socialist Party won 1912

Peatiktist wrote:

Way I've seen the possible maps, the only major change in CSA borders is them taking parts of Mexico.

Well, it all depends on how the US actually splits. Best case for the CSA, they keep the "New Mexico" Territory, Indian Territory, South California, and the Border States, basically all slave owning areas and everything below the Mason-Dixie Line.

They'd be able to stand as a proper competitor to the US and Mexico in terms of power and resources in that situation.

Worst case is they only have the actually seceded states, as that would have been a loss of resources overall.

Stellar Colonies wrote:

The Confederates were never intending to annex the rest of the country, they just wanted to break off. At most, they would've taken border states and territories like Kentucky or New Mexico.

But yeah, they would've certainly been highly tied to Britain and France because of their cash crops.

Edit:
Although they would've been pressured into giving up slavery like Peat said, if at the very least to raise their public image with the populations of their European trade partners/allies(?).

*Response to edit*

Even if they were pressured to abolishing slavery, they would still have various trade agreements with European nations such as Britain and France, and they would have been very reliant on trade with the Europeans.

Terreich und Preussen wrote:

Elaborate

Germany could've not attacked France or Belgium. Russia could've demobilized the couple times it was offered to demobilize. Franz Ferdinand could've survived by his Driver actually knowing where to go. And then the 1 that could've changed alot of events... if Frederick III survived his sickness.
Edit: Oh another thing, Bismark not being fired.

DarKspawnerreich wrote:

Let's put it this way. America wasn't even 100 years into being a Nation before going into a civil war which still holds a large shadow over the Country today. If the CSA won America would be fvcked beyond repair.

Oh most definitely. Society in North America would be vastly worse for wear.

Stellar Colonies wrote:

Yep.

Yeah, but all it'd result in is a Jim Crow State. They would be hellbent on maintaining a racial hierarchy and control of major industries in the hands of the few wealthy land owners/slave owners.

If the CSA won and did not industrialize, they'd probably end up like Argentina and Brazil.

Edit:
With some South African apartheid sprinkled in as well.

Stellar Colonies wrote:

If the CSA won and did not industrialize, they'd probably end up like Argentina and Brazil.

Well that's if they last long enough. The US would probably be waiting for a time to "reunite", with support from Canada and whoever the CSA pi$$es off.

They'd jump at any opportunity that presents itself well.

On the topic of Argentina and Brazil, if you ever get a chance to look into the South American Naval Arms race, it's pretty interesting. Those two both started ordering fairly heavy ships out of europe, and there's also that time (though this may be slightly earlier) where there was a not too insignificant chance of the US (who severely underfunded their navy for the longest time) was going to be a secondary naval power to Brazil in the region, which is an entertaining thought.

Bit of an odd first post, i'll admit, but i'll always jump at the chance to spout very niche history.

Danelaw Scandinavia wrote:

Germany could've not attacked France or Belgium. Russia could've demobilized the couple times it was offered to demobilize. Franz Ferdinand could've survived by his Driver actually knowing where to go. And then the 1 that could've changed alot of events... if Frederick III survived his sickness.
Edit: Oh another thing, Bismark not being fired.

WW1 would have happened anyway, even if you did prevent those things.

The political and nationalist climate and technological advancements of that era would have made a major a devastating war inevitable, no matter how many events you would have changed.

DarKspawnerreich wrote:

Stellar Colonies I saw that.

If the Union did eventually crush the Confederacy, the Union and the people who suffered in the South would be unpredictable in how they'd handle the South. My position is that the Union and the anti-Confederates would likely attempt to destroy the Southern identity through some Fascist-like means.

What a coincidence that we're here.