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Turenia wrote:No, it's not, at all. Saying that Mosques don't require protection is all it is.

It's just crazy that you seem to genuinely believe that it's somehow an endorsement of an attack on Mosques.

Well, it is a fact that mosques have been attacked. There is a risk of futire attacks, especially in a country where Islamophobia runs rampant. And it's also a fact that protection can prevent future attacks

Therefore, saying they don't need protection is tantamount to saying future attacks might as well happen.

(Also, you already know that. I am adding this explanation for the benefit of anyone not adept in spotting the tactics.)

St Scarlett wrote:“Islam is not compatible with a free western society, when it advocates for the opposite”

How can you say this but not be attacking Muslims?

There’s a difference between “Islam has its problems” or “Muslims should speak out against these parts of Islam” and “The entirety of Islam is incompatible with Western society.”

It’s not even true anyway, in the US Muslims have been found to be more progressive on things like LGBT issues than the “native” Christians.

So I guess Christianity is incompatible with Western society too. But you’d never say that because you have a bias against Muslims specifically which is where the Islamophobia comes in.

It's criticising the modern Islamic religion of being outdated and incompatible.

And yes, Christianity is also incompatible. I'm a secularist.

St Scarlett wrote:> Mosques are at risk of being attacked
> You want to take away the one thing stopping that
> “Oh but how am I endorsing attacks?”

It would be like saying we should just take away airport security then trying to pretend you aren’t supporting giving terrorists and criminals a free pass to do whatever they want.

No, it really isn't. You're just reaching for any reason to rage and fume over this.

Turenia wrote:No, it really isn't. You're just reaching for any reason to rage and fume over this.

How tf is it a reach to say taking down a shield to something opens it up to an attack?

Bigots are always so frustratingly bad faith.

Please leave, nobody wants you here.

Turenia wrote:

Mosques don't need protection because that is where the risk is coming from. As much as you don't want to admit it, Islam is not compatible with a free western society, when it advocates for the opposite.

I hope you are aware that if mosques are not protected innocent people in places like Gaza could die due to attacks

I still love the misplaced confidence and smugness on the person who still supports the Tories when even the Tories don’t support them anymore.

St Scarlett wrote:How tf is it a reach to say taking down a shield to something opens it up to an attack?

Bigots are always so frustratingly bad faith.

Please leave, nobody wants you here.

Because you didn't just say that, did you? You said that I had spoken out in favour of attacks happening.

St Scarlett wrote:I still love the misplaced confidence and smugness on the person who still supports the Tories when even the Tories don’t support them anymore.

That's kind of the point I was making in the first place....

Turenia wrote:Because you didn't just say that, did you? You said that I had spoken out in favour of attacks happening.

If you condone taking down the shield you’re in favour of the attack.

Again, stop being bad faith. It doesn’t matter what you do or don’t say what you imply is crystal clear.

honestly this whole hate crime against muslims and Islam makes no sense. We get so much stuff from the middle east and the surrounding areas. Honestly imo humanity probably wouldn’t have gotten this far with out them.

St Scarlett wrote:If you condone taking down the shield you’re in favour of the attack.

Again, stop being bad faith. It doesn’t matter what you do or don’t say what you imply is crystal clear.

No, that's what you're saying, not what I'm saying. It's not implied at all.

Australian Luxembourg wrote:honestly this whole hate crime against muslims and Islam makes no sense. We get so much stuff from the middle east and the surrounding areas. Honestly imo humanity probably wouldn’t have gotten this far with out them.

Ok, well that was never in question.

Turenia wrote:No, that's what you're saying, not what I'm saying. It's not implied at all.

If you knock the shield out of someone’s hand before they get shot, you don’t have to say “I want them to get shot” to be in favour of them being shot.

If you take away the protection of a mosque before it gets attacked, you don’t have to say “I want it to be attacked” to be in favour of it being attacked.

It’s not complicated.

Australian Luxembourg wrote:honestly this whole hate crime against muslims and Islam makes no sense. We get so much stuff from the middle east and the surrounding areas. Honestly imo humanity probably wouldn’t have gotten this far with out them.

And even if not, people don't deserve to get hatecrimed even if they did not benefit the societal majority in any way

St Scarlett wrote:If you knock the shield out of someone’s hand before they get shot, you don’t have to say “I want them to get shot” to be in favour of them being shot.

If you take away the protection of a mosque before it gets attacked, you don’t have to say “I want it to be attacked” to be in favour of it being attacked.

It’s not complicated.

But there's not a certainty that a Mosque will be attacked. Synagogues are far more at risk since the start of the Israel-Hamas war.

For some reason, I think you'd disagree if some proposed arming US teachers to defend against shooters, and if I were anything like you, I'd start hysterically shrieking about how you're in favour of school shootings. But that's an argument for another time.

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