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United massachusetts

I expect to be ready for some major reveals this Thursday.

;)

Roborian wrote:I'll take Scripture over poetry, to be a bit frank.

Celestial mechanics were as much a matter of scientific disagreement as religious at the time, the lack of observed stellar parallax marking the case against Galileo, not an unreasonable one with the evidence of the time. The papacy elected to back the scientific consensus of the time, and tapped a few pieces of figurative language as backing. It was certainly never a primarily moral issue.

The matter of same-sex intercourse is quite a bit different. It is condemned in no uncertain terms, and is very much a moral question, not one of simply describing the layout of various chunks of rock and gas. The papacy turning away from a geocentric model required no rewriting of Scripture. Endorsing sexual same-sex relationship would.

I guess scripture over mystical experience put down as poetry would be more correct. ;)

As for Galileo, I am admittedly not closely acquainted with the history, but from what I know, he was opposed as much on theological as astronomical grounds, as ceasing to hold the Earth to be the center of all creation would certainly have consequences on the Church's authority, and its ability to save souls, thus making it a moral issue as much as an astronomical one.

Aawia wrote:There are two objections I see here, one partially answered above which I'll expand on, and one I'll address fully.

Your first issue seems to be that because all religious claims are faith claims they, therefore, lack evidence and are all equal. I don't know anyone of any faith that believes without any evidence whatsoever, I think to state that we cannot examine religious evidences because it is all faith claims is misguided at best. "Jesus among other Gods" by Ravi Zacharias may help your core concern. However, I think the main question you should be asking is, "does Christianity have any evidence?" From there maybe find some apologetic books and see why Christians believe what they believe. Then concern yourself more with the question, "is Christianity right?" If it is than all others are wrong, if it isn't then, hey don't let me stop your search for the true faith. Now, studying other faiths isn't wrong, by the nature of my truth claim there if another religion is right Christianity is wrong, but that's the nature of the claim of Christianity. However, I can for this reason understand why "Jesus among other Gods" can be an important book to show why Christianity can rise above. Though, full disclosure, I have never read the book, merely heard some of his talks that address the periphery issues.

TL;DR above: I don't think any faith is evidenceless and concerning ourselves with what evidence different faiths provide is a better litmus test for truth.

As for your second point about Galileo, Roborian addressed it well. This link may help: https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-galileo-controversy
Galileo didn't threaten establish infallible Church teaching or any strict doctrine, hence why homosexual issues are on a different plane.

PS: I don't think believing something is right either should then cause us to dump other faiths as useless, which I know would be a concern. Having a faith and believing it to be uniquely true I don't think must render one callous to learning about other faiths, and seeing what they offer, even if it ends up that they get the main thing wrong.

My concern with the validity of any supernatural claim is that unless one himself has some kind of direct experience with the supernatural, believing in any faith depends on believing others' claims to such experiences, which again, by definition, are not reproducible. People cannot even agree on events that took place only 20 years ago; finding definitive proof of events of 2000 years ago must be even harder, although it's not a field I have engaged with. I actually have Chesterton's Orthodoxy close up on my reading list, as I find his worldview generally very close to mine, particularly on the problem of man's confusion since the Industrial Revolution removed him from a traditional way of life, and the futility of rationally planning a perfect society, although I am not a Christian.

The Catholic State of Eire wrote:Christians preach that sexuality is a gift that is to be used with responsibility and not abused, which I am sure is hard for people to understand who believe in so called "sexual liberation"!

I'm am however impressed that Christian Democratic parties in the Nordic countries still exist and have some representation in the national assemblies. I would have thought that political Christianity would waver in the secularisation of the northern countries.

To be fair, it's more accurate to say that the social democratic state has flooded the Lutheran Church with its own representatives rather than the other way around; a controlled opposition if you will. Abortion is a non-issue, partly because the state media's internal rules forbid serious debate on the topic. I have lived in Sweden for 5 years. :)

First And Only Archive wrote:However, the assertion that a homosexual relationship cannot be a loving relationship can be demonstrated to be false to a very good standard of evidence - i.e. a large number of decent, moral and trustworthy people report loving homosexual relationships..

To be clear I was specifying loving and natural, but I ought to even add that whole laundry list of things that the church contains in the vows.

Slavic lechia wrote:Jehovah's Wittnesses are better! We don't give marriages to anyone! Go get a secular marriage instead! God counts all marriages that count for you. A marriage of two people stranded on an island with no priest with them is as worthy as two people that got married by Jesus. As long as you commit to it and vow to God it counts. God just himself intended them to be male and female for reproduction purposes but we are not to prevent you from doing that. God will judge you if He wants. We can't

To assume that God "counts" a marriage, no matter how secular, empty, or perverted just because you do seems...odd. The whole point of the church blessing marriages is not to police who can get married (trust me, many priests marry people who they have doubts about) but to insure that the marriage is valid and a marriage. I would, however, point out that the Catholic Church wouldn't have a problem with two people stranded without a priest getting married (by themselves, though ideally there would be a witness). The Priest is only there to witness/profess the couple marrying themselves, so as long as you 1) had consent and a proper understanding of marriage and 2) had a good reason to not be able to got a priest you can marry without a priest.
"§1. If a person competent to assist at marriage according to the norm of law cannot be present or approached without grave inconvenience, those who intend to enter into a true marriage can contract it validly and licitly before witnesses alone only: 1º in danger of death; 2º outside the danger of death provided that it is prudently foreseen that the situation will continue for a month. §2. In either case, if another priest or deacon who can be present is available, he must be called and be present at the celebration of the marriage together with the witnesses, without prejudice to the validity of the marriage before witnesses only."

Alterrum wrote:I guess scripture over mystical experience put down as poetry would be more correct. ;)

As for Galileo, I am admittedly not closely acquainted with the history, but from what I know, he was opposed as much on theological as astronomical grounds, as ceasing to hold the Earth to be the center of all creation would certainly have consequences on the Church's authority, and its ability to save souls, thus making it a moral issue as much as an astronomical one.

The main theological ground he was opposed on was that he clearly asserted (until his trial) that, and I'm simplifying, science could definitively know reality, by which I mean that his model of the universe was precisely how the universe was constructed, was "physically true", not theoretical or "saving the appearances" and therefore set his method up as a rival, even a superior to, divine revelation. Do feel free to agree with Galileo's clearly incorrect and faulty model if you want, but the church was effectively telling him, like any good scientist would today, that his model was at best a theory and at worst dead wrong and destined to be supplanted by another more accurate one (which at the time was still the Ptolemaic system, until Kepler). Two short sources about this: the essay "On a Thought by Pascal" in de Lubac's Theology in History and Owen Barfield's Saving the Appearances, from which I quote: "the Church told Galileo that he might teach Copernicanism as a hypothesis which saved all celestial phenomenon satisfactorily, but 'not as being the truth'....this was really how Ptolemaic astronomy had been taught!" He could teach it as a representation of reality but not as reality itself and had to admit it was an approximation a "best guess" on his part.

That feeling when the final and everything is graded for the semester and your 0.15% from a 90%.

Slavic lechia

Remember that time when something broke and I had to quote Massatchusets in every post for some reason?

Horatius Cocles, The RCS, and United massachusetts

Clear Bay wrote:That feeling when the final and everything is graded for the semester and your 0.15% from a 90%.

That's too bad, never have had one that close (as far as I know, but my colleges never have detailed grades they just show the end result). My college is annoying though and anything below 93% is a BA which means it lowers your GPA if you get above 90% and increases it if you get above a 87%. Makes getting an A extra hard. Pulled out a 3.88 in graduate school as of today though!

"Democracy has become so overused as to become a synonym for all that is good in the world, especially identified as rainbow-headed unicorns with the wings of a Pegasus, flying unhesitatingly from imagined world to imagined world, the latest one progressing ever more and more toward all that is holy. Democracy, it seems, is freedom, goodness, truth, dignity, and beauty."
https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2019/04/not-democracy-bradley-birzer.html

In before UM is signing over the rights to the region to the Communist Bloc. XD

Horatius Cocles and United massachusetts

United massachusetts

The Rouge Christmas State wrote:In before UM is signing over the rights to the region to the Communist Bloc. XD

Abortion is a symbol of the oppression of the poor.

United massachusetts wrote:Abortion is a symbol of the oppression of the poor.

Very true

Phydios, United massachusetts, Slavic lechia, and Lagrodia

The Rouge Christmas State wrote:Very true

I saw an article awhile back that showed the correlation between a planned parenthood clinic and low income areas of cities (which also happen to be primarily minorities).

https://www.protectingblacklife.org/pp_targets/index.html

Phydios, United massachusetts, Slavic lechia, and Lagrodia

The Rouge Christmas State wrote:I saw an article awhile back that showed the correlation between a planned parenthood clinic and low income areas of cities (which also happen to be primarily minorities).

https://www.protectingblacklife.org/pp_targets/index.html

"Birth control is not contraception indiscriminately and thoughtlessly practiced. It means the release and cultivation of the better racial elements in our society, and the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extirpation of defective stocks— those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization." - Margaret Sanger

And there are many other quotes from her about the "benefits of eugenics". She was a pretty foul human being.

Phydios, Slavic lechia, and Lagrodia

Rost dreadnorramus

I wonder how many Teslas?

How many inventions?

How many voices, and leaders of peace?

How many cures?

How many greats?

How many lives in general?

Oh how much we have probably lost to abortion, that horrible excuse for murder.

Slavic lechia

Rost dreadnorramus wrote:I wonder how many Teslas?

How many inventions?

How many voices, and leaders of peace?

How many cures?

How many greats?

How many lives in general?

Oh how much we have probably lost to abortion, that horrible excuse for murder.

Probably a lot...

United massachusetts

The Rouge Christmas State wrote:I saw an article awhile back that showed the correlation between a planned parenthood clinic and low income areas of cities (which also happen to be primarily minorities).

https://www.protectingblacklife.org/pp_targets/index.html

^

Phydios and Slavic lechia

United massachusetts

OK, Right to Life. I'm going to keep this quick, and explain what I've been working on. Behind the scenes, I've been developing a unified theme for dispatches (including a news service) and a revamped regional Discord. I've also been quietly assembling an upvote squad to ensure that our dispatches make the top list. I'll also be rewriting the regional recruitment and welcome telegrams over the coming days so we can send out more messages. Over the coming days, a few things will happen:

  • I will post the new dispatches for our region. Everyone should upvote them.

  • I'll start up some more RTLA operations. But first I need active updaters. Tell me if you can be online midnight and/or noon EST.

  • I'll create a newer regional Discord to migrate to and market it like crazy.

  • I'll publish a new edition of RTL News. We need some writers for this. Contact me, and I'll give you an article.

  • I will publish an endotarting page explaining how people can endorse the region and give y'all badges for doing so.

  • I will publicly ask Slavic lechia to start up a new RP, and we can host it on the NS Forums or the new Discord.

  • I will unilaterally override the defunct Library Commission to publish the first edition of the Library of Life. If you have complaints about this, please file a court case. It will give New Dolgaria something to do. If you have articles you would like, please send them over.

  • I will be trawling through the NS forums to find active, pro-life posters and invite them to our region.

  • I am starting a regional WFE competition. Redesign our WFE, and we will have a vote between the original and new entries. Please participate -- we need a fresh look.

  • I will be calling on the new Senate to establish an emergency Constitution, by and with the consent of the Viceroy, Aawia, in order to call for a new Constitution that makes the region entirely independent from Culture of Life's activity. In doing so, I invoke Article V of our region's Constitution: "If the Founder ever ceases to exist, the President and the Viceroy shall work together to ensure peace and order in Right to Life until the Founder returns or until the Senate, by a unanimous vote, passes an emergency constitution, which shall reorganize the regional government, pending a constitutional convention, in which all citizens may participate.". If someone wishes to challenge me here, please submit a case before the High Court. At present, the Constitution prohibits changes to the Administrative Branch without the direct assent of Culture of Life. This emergency Constitution will grant Administrative authority to the President and Viceroy whilst a Constitutional Convention is held over Discord. If you have an objection to using Discord for this, please say.

  • I am reminding citizens that Senate elections are under way. Seeing as only two people declared their candidacy and we are long after the nominations period, when I open the vote, you will have two options -- Texoma and The Catholic State of Eire, presuming no one else wishes to run (I will give a day long grace period to submit nominations). If this remains the case and each candidate receives at least one vote, they will both become Senators, and I will invoke my Constitutional right to appoint the third.

  • The region is now called the "Democratic Worker's Republic of Right to Life", and its anthem is the Internationale. I am doing this unilaterally.

Solidarity Forever,

United massachusetts
Chairman, Democratic Worker's Republic of Right to Life

PS: No, that last one isn't serious.

United massachusetts

Also, I am still in the process of searching for a News Minister. Please contact me if you wish to work for Right to Life News, now called "Правда" (Pravda)

Horatius Cocles and Slavic lechia

I'll send you a TG when I'm back UM about a drafting an emergency constitution.

That being said, I graduate from my undergrad degree on Saturday so my activity will be sparse for the next little while.

United massachusetts

Aawia wrote:I'll send you a TG when I'm back UM about a drafting an emergency constitution.

That being said, I graduate from my undergrad degree on Saturday so my activity will be sparse for the next little while.

Congrats! That's awesome!

United massachusetts wrote:

  • The region is now called the "Democratic Worker's Republic of Right to Life", and its anthem is the Internationale. I am doing this unilaterally.

  • The people's flag is palest pink,
    It's not as red as most think.
    We must not let the people know
    What socialists thought long ago.
    Don't let the scarlet banner float;
    We want the middle classes' vote.
    Let our old fashioned comrades sneer,
    We'll stay in power for many a year.

    Slavic lechia

    I officially accept my new (not new) role as a minister of culture and will happily start a new roleplay!

    Horatius Cocles and United massachusetts

    My 8values test results:

    https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=37.8&d=40.4&g=37.3&s=41.1

    Pretty interesting. Not sure how accurate they are, though they're not completely off-base.

    United massachusetts

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