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Does anybody here support the legalisation of marijuana?

Anmola wrote:Does anybody here support the legalisation of marijuana?

I do.

Frustrated Franciscans wrote:I think it is illogical to simply state that it's either god or nihilism. I think a better argument would be that without God there would be no opposing force towards the natural tendency towards nihilism. And it's not just the "belief" in God but an actual "force" that comes from God, which we call grace. And this is where it gets really messy. (If it's not messy it's just not Catholic enough.) "Let us pray also for those who do not acknowledge God, that, following what is right in sincerity of heart, they may find the way to God himself." So God's grace is always available to everyone, so that all may of their own will turn and find the way to Him.

Today's Mass readings are a good indication that the problem is not "emotion and reasons" but finite and narrow focused emotion and reasons.  God's thoughts are not our thoughts because our thoughts are narrow focused. God is generous, as can be seen in the parable of the workers all hired at different points of the day, "are you jealous because I am generous?"

I think a better expression would be "If a human doesn't believe in God, he will call almost anything God in a vain attempt to believe in it."

Amen.

Anmola wrote:Does anybody here support the legalisation of marijuana?


I'm on the fence on this one. For medical reasons sure! For recreational purposes not really but I'll go into more detail.

Some of my arguments against it are: A. It's sinful to get drunk, high, stoned, or inhibit your reason with drugs (with exceptions otherwise I would suspect that surgery would be quite a lot more painful but I'll address this later on). B. Recreationally speaking I tend to think people usually do it to get high C. The Church is against recreational use (as far as I am aware) so I wish to be obedient. 

Medically speaking I think in theory it is good and even if some people are registering just to get some weed I think it'd be better than possibly more dangerous drugs. 

According to a 2018 article from B.C. Catholic Bishops in British Columbia and Yukon have deemed medical marijuana to be ok but have said that recreational marijuana is not ok.


That being said if someone wanted to drink until they got drunk I'd be against that.

In my personal opinion about tobacco (you're listening to a half French guy so I'm very biased here) while it is addictive if you are somehow able to smoke it in moderation it's ok in my opinion. (Yes I know family members, though not many, that have enough discipline to smoke in moderation.) Personally I would never smoke because it's harmful for you and not really worth it.

Actually though I remember my mother telling me sometimes she'd think she'd smell my great grandfather's pipe sometimes when she thought of him. She always said he would sit in his rocking chair and just relax while smoking his pipe. Even just smelling tobacco from random people walking down the street smoking can make you brain go into nostalgia mode and think, "Hey this reminds me of this family member!" I feel like that's just something every French person can relate to. (This is why while I'm tempted to say weed smells really bad but I won't say that for tobacco.)

Of course I would advise against tobacco for health reasons as well as because of it's addictive nature. 

That being said St. Philip Neri took snuff so much that the inside of his nasal cavity was eroded (which is very concerning.) I think it was St. John Vianney who also took snuff in between confessions. 

Still I highly advise against having lungs that barely work, heart disease, many other health related problems, and the insides of your nasal cavity completely destroyed. We should all desire to be able to serve God on this Earth as effectively and as long as we can.

So essentially my personal opinion of tobacco is it's ok to do. I'd strongly advise against it. Also if someone were to smoke tobacco they should ideally do it in moderation. I also encourage anyone struggling with addiction to quit. Even if somebody has been smoking for years they can potentially still reduce possible side effects that may come later on down the road.



(Summary of the giant rant I put in the spoiler is alcohol isn't necessarily bad, just drink in moderation and don't get drunk. Tobacco isn't necessarily bad, I'd advise if you do tobacco don't do it often. Also tobacco creates many health problems so it's advisable to stay away from it.) 

The reason I am not against alcohol or tobacco is because people can use it in moderation (yes people can use tobacco in moderation as extremely rare as that may be, more often than not you either don't use tobacco, or go bananas for tobacco) and they can enjoy it without inhibiting their reason. Culturally speaking most people (as far as I'm aware of) use weed to get high.  

That being said while again, I'd advise against smoking weed in excess just like I do for tobacco, if a person is actually able to enjoy weed without getting high then I don't see a problem there. Unless of course you do it illegally either because of the country you are from or the age you are. That's bad.

Edit: https://youtu.be/hkxtyqyvSUM

This person in the video lists off different health benefits of tobacco but I honestly will tell you that tobacco is extremely harmful for you. In my personal opinion (as a person who is not a doctor) unless your doctor actually says you need to smoke tobacco I would say it isn't worth the health risks.

https://youtu.be/Q7LnVGbdfuQ

Here's Jimmy Akin explaining marijuana probably better than I ever could.

Isaiah 30:8-14 "A Rebellious People
And now, go, write it before them on a tablet
and inscribe it in a book,
that it may be for the time to come
as a witness forever.
For they are a rebellious people,
lying children,
children unwilling to hear
the instruction of the Lord;
who say to the seers, “Do not see,”
and to the prophets, “Do not prophesy to us what is right;
speak to us smooth things,
prophesy illusions,
leave the way, turn aside from the path,
let us hear no more about the Holy One of Israel.”
Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel,
“Because you despise this word
and trust in oppression and perverseness
and rely on them,
therefore this iniquity shall be to you
like a breach in a high wall, bulging out and about to collapse,
whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant;
and its breaking is like that of a potter's vessel
that is smashed so ruthlessly
that among its fragments not a shard is found
with which to take fire from the hearth,
or to dip up water out of the cistern.”"

The division of the Church was prophesied.

Anmola wrote:Does anybody here support the legalisation of marijuana?

I generally lean no on this one. There are known long term effects to the brain from its use. There is a clear case that it definitely not be allowed for developing brains. "When marijuana users begin using as teenagers, the drug may reduce attention, memory, and learning functions and affect how the brain builds connections between the areas necessary for these functions. Marijuana’s effects on these abilities may last a long time or even be permanent."

https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects.html

Anmola wrote:Does anybody here support the legalisation of marijuana?

It will reduce Marijuana use? Yes

It will not? No

And I smoked it in the past, no hypocrisy about me. It is relaxing, it's pleasurable but it's not wise at all.

Marijuana is a silly drug because it don't works so much into chemical dependency, so the main argument for it is because it is not addictive and lethal as Alcohol and Tobacco.

The problem that the radical pro-legalization people forget, is the psychological addiction, that may become so strong as the chemical one. Just to put criterias to the point.

1 - Marijuana in western culture is a symbol of counter-culture and rebel spirit without too many side-effects, legalize it may reduce this status, but people try to did it with cigarettes first and don't work until they show proofs of the lethal effects, with marijuana we don't have this advantage.

2. People claim that it have proven medicinal use, basically giving a propaganda for it, well, cocaine and heroin was used as proven good medicine too, and if it was allowed in some cases it will work on extreme cases.

3. The tax and crime problem, people claim that legalizing the drug would break the drug dealers and give an immense tax sum, about the tax, it's certainly right, but it's right even in hard times to the government get taxes over the use of drugs? It breaks the drug lords? Maybe, but to legalize a vice is a viable course of action, we must be so about utilitarianism or consequentialism?

4. The "alcohol and tobacco are allowed and are worst and are allowed" argument. The cliche argument of most radical legalization supporters. This deserves a more elaborate answer. Is this a fact at all? Yes. Alcohol and tobacco are worst than marijuana and are on our culture, that's what made it allowed until today, marijuana is on the counter-culture reaching the cultural roots, well, the only thing I ask to them is what we won by allowing it and putting another useless escapism and coping drug into the culture, a thing that can't be reverted later.

5. The radical pro-liberation deny all scientific claims that the drug have evil side-effects, some of them get into an almost real spiritual relationship with the drug, use it for meditation, consider it the "herb of Jah" (the pseudo-rastafari people) defending it fanatically, they as we talk messages before made a substitute of God on the "sacred weed". The herb have side-effects, far lesser than other drugs, but the lesser side effects let the drug OK to be allowed? Just because it's far less poisonous it must be treated as a non-poisonous at all?

That things deserved to be put at the table, Europe and USA only put the tax profit on it, that the War on Drugs is failed, of course it is failed when most media put it on a bright-light, a symbol of rebellion into cool characters, this create peer pressure, as it happens on High School or College, if you don't smoke it you are a conformist and must be excluded, and marijuana helps into socialization what turns it even more psychological addictive, they made it before with cigarettes, you were "uncool" on the XXth Century if you don't smoke or at least smoked it.

On Prudentias we forbid EVERY drug, but we educate people to never use it too. On Western Civilization people are put into fear of saying and teaching people to don't use marijuana because there is always a fanatical weed militant to bombard insults and call a Super Weed Justice wave over them, Marijuana became sacred and forbid to criticize, what create a non-rational debate at all, and only the spur of the moment with low level arguments on both sides was used in this issue,and this is not a good indicator of a wise decision at all.

Anmola wrote:Does anybody here support the legalisation of marijuana?

No. It creates hippies.

Oire wrote:
No. It creates hippies.

Hippies became Boomers, one of the main opposition to The Left. Yesterday rebels became the today conservatives.

You guys, we've got to get better at making our case against abortion on constitutional grounds.

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