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Prasna wrote:Sorry :(

Don't worry, I've had trans-puppet conversations with myself numerous times.
Quite often it's in RMBs where my puppets are stored, and once I even had the nerve to make an RP where I just tried to be my own diplomats from each nation.
(this was way back before I knew what anything was... ah, good times.)
It sucked, obviously, but the founder of the region I've moved from actually posted once or twice there and shortly after invited me. :P

edit: by "where my puppets are stored", I mean regions I've made specifically for my own use in housing puppets.

Interesting WA proposal at vote.

Might be the shortest proposal I've ever seen. The idea presented seems very uncontroversial to me, so I am puzzled as to why there are so many people voting against. Is it because of the "sloppy" way the proposal was written?

Caracasus, Jutsa, Mount Seymour, Atsvea, and 6 othersRuinenlust, Lord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, Turbeaux, Canaltia, and Rivienland

Can I have a black forest cake

Frieden-und Freudenland, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, and 4 othersAeterno tranquillitas, Turbeaux, Canaltia, and Rivienland

Aeterno tranquillitas

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Interesting WA proposal at vote.

Might be the shortest proposal I've ever seen. The idea presented seems very uncontroversial to me, so I am puzzled as to why there are so many people voting against. Is it because of the "sloppy" way the proposal was written?

Personally, I'm just glad that it's the first WA Resolution I've ever voted on that I fully understand, and can also fully support, as it aligns with what I believe. YAY! :D
I mean yeah, the sentence is a little difficult to understand at first, but most legal ones are anyway, and require multiple reads to ensure you fully understand their meaning and context, at least from my experiences.

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Interesting WA proposal at vote.

Might be the shortest proposal I've ever seen. The idea presented seems very uncontroversial to me, so I am puzzled as to why there are so many people voting against. Is it because of the "sloppy" way the proposal was written?

As one of the "Against" voters, pretty much. I like the idea, and I would have voted "For" had it been presented better, but the current proposal just doesn't look like a finished proposal. It looks like the starter idea, and I would just like it to be fleshed out a bit more. I understand there really isn't too much to say about the topic, but it's a bit like a country having a law just saying "don't steal" or "killing is wrong". Obvious, to the point, but hard to take seriously. Considering who the author is, I don't think it's too much to ask for.

Frieden-und Freudenland, Jutsa, Mount Seymour, Atsvea, and 6 othersLord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, Turbeaux, Seagull, Altmer dominion, and Rivienland

Anacin wrote:Can I have a black forest cake

This is not a restaurant and we are not your waiters or butlers!
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Just kidding, I always have some Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte ready. Mmm, köstlich!

Here you go!

Zwangzug, The new bluestocking homeland, Jutsa, Mount Seymour, and 9 othersAtsvea, Lord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, Turbeaux, Canaltia, Seagull, Hediacrana, Rivienland, and Anacin

continues to burn down trees

Atsvea, Lord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, and Canaltia

Deltia wrote:continues to burn down trees

Oi! Stop that! We already have Lord Dominator (pretitle) and Drasnia (quote), so we really don't need more fire.

Frieden-und Freudenland, Jutsa, Mount Seymour, Atsvea, and 6 othersLord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, Turbeaux, Seagull, Rivienland, and Deltia

Canaltia wrote:it's a bit like a country having a law just saying "don't steal" or "killing is wrong".

Wait, that's not how laws are supposed to be written?

Our tax code is "give the government money" and our environmental code, industry regulations,
malpractice suits, murder, fist fights, stealing, and anesthesia are covered by "try not to hurt people".

p.s. plants are people too

Cameroi, Frieden-und Freudenland, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, and 6 othersLord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, Turbeaux, Canaltia, Seagull, and Honeysalad

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte

Ooh, that brings me back. The flavour of my childhood!

Hediacrana wrote:Ooh, that brings me back. The flavour of my childhood!

You must have had a wonderful childhood, then. Lucky you!

Mount Seymour, Atsvea, Lord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, and 3 othersTurbeaux, Canaltia, and Hediacrana

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Interesting WA proposal at vote.

Might be the shortest proposal I've ever seen. The idea presented seems very uncontroversial to me, so I am puzzled as to why there are so many people voting against. Is it because of the "sloppy" way the proposal was written?

I find it absurd that although the WA doesn't (and in fact according to the rules can't) require nations to hold elections it still meddles endlessly in the details of how elections work in those states that have them. So you get these "furtherance of democracy" proposals that find fault with certain representative democracies while totalitarian regimes and absolute monarchies are automatically compliant.

Frieden-und Freudenland, Jutsa, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, and 6 othersLord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, Turbeaux, Canaltia, Seagull, and Santa guerrera

Maybe what we need is a proposal specifically for dictatorships. ;)

Frieden-und Freudenland, Atsvea, Lord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, and 4 othersTurbeaux, Canaltia, Seagull, and Santa guerrera

This morning I got 21 notices
20 of them are likes

Sacara, Frieden-und Freudenland, Jutsa, Atsvea, and 11 othersLord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, Forgotten Beauty, Turbeaux, Canaltia, Seagull, Altmer dominion, New ladavia, N1xon, Rivienland, and Cat-herders united

Canaltia wrote:Oi! Stop that! We already have Lord Dominator (pretitle) and Drasnia (quote), so we really don't need more fire.

Thanks for the reminder. It's time to change themes. Bukowski is so passé.

Frieden-und Freudenland, Jutsa, Mount Seymour, Atsvea, and 4 othersLord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, Canaltia, and Santa guerrera

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Interesting WA proposal at vote.

Might be the shortest proposal I've ever seen. The idea presented seems very uncontroversial to me, so I am puzzled as to why there are so many people voting against. Is it because of the "sloppy" way the proposal was written?

Aside from the debates over its content, there is the argument that this proposal is just IA flexing his power over the GA by passing a resolution which would quickly be shot down if it were written by a first-timer.

Uan aa Boa wrote:So Mount Seymour's suggested amendment to the constitution has received 23-7 support in the poll, more than 75% of the vote.

On that basis I'd like to invite Mount Seymour to edit the proposal in order to clarify the definition of an electoral year and to include Ruinenlust's grammatical correction. I'd also like to ask Errinundera for their approval to proceed to a formal vote on amending the constitution.

Article 6 – Embassies

6.1 No embassy requests with regions containing lessfewer than 6 WA nations or younger than 6 months will be accepted by Forest. Regions which do meet these requirements must submit a telegram describing their region and reasons for making the request to the appropriate members of Forest's government (hereby defined as the Forest Keeper and/or Minister of Foreign Affairs if appointed). If only an in-game request is made and no further information is provided in 24 hours, the requesting nation will be contacted by an appropriate member of Forest's government asking for information. After 5 days, or 4 from the time the telegram was sent, if there is no response and the proposal yet stands, an appropriate member of Forest's government will post on the requesting region's regional message board (this post can be made via puppet nation if desired). If after 7 days no contact has been made, then the request is to be assumed invalid (although new requests with the appropriate information from the same region will be considered.)

If a region meets the above requirements, an appropriate member of Forest's government will notify the residents of Forest, via the Regional Message Board or in a region-wide telegram, of the potential embassy as soon as is convenient. The region must then be sponsored, seconded, and thirded, by at least three current Forest residents (hereafter 'the sponsors'), all of whom must have resided in Forest consecutively for at least thirty days prior to sponsoring and at least one of whom must be a member of the World Assembly. At least one of the sponsors must post, via the Regional Message Board or in a telegram to the appropriate members of Forest's government, a statement vouching for the potential embassy, within 4 days from the time the residents of Forest were notified of it. At least one sponsor must also state their willingness to serve as an ambassador to the region in question should the embassy be constructed.

If the request meets all of the above requirements, the request will be voted on as described in Clause 6.5.

6.2 The Forest Keeper (possibly through the request of a Regional Officer) may decide to request embassies with other regions. If the region meets the 6 WA nation and older than 6 months requirements it will be voted on as described in Clause 6.5. Otherwise it will be voted on as described in Clause 6.6.in a manner similar to Clause 6.5 with one change; a three-quarters majority vote in favour will be needed to open the embassy.

6.3 Embassies may be voted on for closure at the discretion of the Forest Keeper. If the embassy has less than 6 WA nations it shall be voted on as described in Clause 6.5. Otherwise it will be voted on as described in Clause 6.6. in the manner described in Clause 6.5. Embassies closure may only be voted on once per electoralcalendar year per region, unless extreme circumstances change the nature of the region (e.g. invasion or other major regime change).

6.4 To avoid embassy request spamming, if a region has been rejected twice within a 12-month period, then they must wait until the next election cycle is completed, i.e., the following 1 October or 1 April, to lodge a third request. Thereafter, they can apply once each election yearcalendar year.

6.5 Embassy votes which fall under this clause will be voted on in the following fashion:

A description of the telegram received by the nation and/or assessment of the region by a member of Forest's government will be posted on the RMB.

A poll, with natives residents only eligible to vote will be posted. The poll will be posted as soon as convenient for the government, avoiding excessive delays. The poll is recommended to be open for 3 days, although it may be reduced to 2 if there is a backlog in polls. The poll will be entitled ‘Shall we (open/close) embassies with (the region in question)?’ and will provide a ‘Yes’ and ‘No’ option. The poll will be decided by a simplerequires a three-fifths majority vote in favour to pass. Puppeteering on a regional embassy poll is not permitted.

6.6 The voting process will be done in a manner similar to Clause 6.5 with one change; a 2/3’s vote will be needed to open/close the embassy.

Read dispatch

The amendment has been updated with both changes, to 6.4 and 6.1 respectively.

Frieden-und Freudenland, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, and 7 othersSapnu puas, Aeterno tranquillitas, Turbeaux, Canaltia, Seagull, Altmer dominion, and Rivienland

Figured I should pop in here so the "553" on the region's name would disappear. I've been spending too much time in the NS cards abyss.

Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:You must have had a wonderful childhood, then. Lucky you!

Can't deny it. Teenagehood was less good, but that had nothing to do with the availability of black forest cake.

Prasna wrote:This morning I got 21 notices
20 of them are likes

Welcome to Forest!

The new bluestocking homeland, Candlewhisper Archive, Mount Seymour, Atsvea, and 6 othersRuinenlust, Lord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, Turbeaux, Canaltia, and Prasna

Deltia wrote:continues to burn down trees

Nice optical illusion there

Atsvea, Lord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, Turbeaux, and 1 otherCanaltia

Dry shoes are the best

nation=zwangzug
Card is for sale at the cheapest current price

Atsvea, Lord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, Turbeaux, and 1 otherCanaltia

The tropical communist regime of Uan aa Boa has long been known for its sometimes bizarre authoritarian pronouncements - so how can it be that new World Assembly Census data classifies its government as "tiny?" And does this apparent reform have a darker side? Our dedicated reporter Lex Quaestor investigates.

The heat is nothing short of oppressive as I make my way through the courtyards of Northwest Aa District Software Collective #14. The surfaces of the buildings are mostly covered in solar panels while the paving between them is a bright and contrasting white. The walkways travel through beds of small trees, shrubs and aromatic flowering plants. Everywhere is pedestrianised - there are no cars in Uan aa Boa. In a wider space twenty or so teenagers, boys and girls together, are playing kogo. I don't understand the rules but it looks like a cross between hockey, kendo and tag. The players glisten with sweat but seem otherwise untroubled by the temperature. I feel exhausted simply watching.

The medical centre is a 4 storey cubic building. Stepping through its open doors I'm disappointed to find it only slightly cooler. While the Boani computing industry no doubt has plenty of equipment to cool its servers, air conditioning for people is as unheard of as cars. I'm here to meet Joseph Wangui, the commune's assistant pharmacist. The receptionist keys in a message and, moments later, he comes rapidly down the staircase looking ridiculously cool in his white shirtsleeves. He shakes my hand enthusiastically and politely enquires about my journey.

Now in his late 20s, Joseph has worked at the centre since joining the commune as a newly qualified pharmacist. His partner Meliah is expecting their first child. It seems a strange profession for an IT collective to employ, but the commune has its own health centre, schools and many other facilities so as to be almost self-contained, a village in the heart of the city. Almost half of the commune's 2000 adults work in roles that having nothing to do with its main business of developing and maintaining the government's preferred compiler program. Joseph didn't ask to come here. He was posted by the government without being consulted, but in changing times for this communist nation he could now decide to leave.

"I always knew as a student that I would be sent where my skills were needed," he explains in strongly accented but perfect English. "Each commune needs only 2 or 3 pharmacists, so that could have been anywhere." Wasn't he sorry to be made to leave the collective he grew up in? "The pharmacist there is a young woman," he explains, "there would not be a vacancy for many years. Perhaps if I had been more interested in engineering..." His parents belong to a commune that manufactures semiconductors.

The economy of Uan aa Boa is ruthlessly controlled by the artificial intelligences that administer the Ninth Economic Plan. Autonomous and centralised software systems issue each commune with continually updated instructions regarding what to produce and where to send it. As part of a new government reform programme opaquely called A Gift of Wings, however, that centralised control now ends at the commune gates, with human decisions in the local community determining how best to fulfil those computerised instructions. Crucially that means that the commune hires its own people, leaving workers like Joseph free to negotiate a transfer without the involvement of central planning.

I ask Joseph whether he thinks that in reality the machine intelligences would organise the commune more efficiently. "Perhaps," he replies, "if the people who worked here were machines too. We learnt from previous attempts in places such as China that it is a mistake to collectivise at too large a level. Farmers who were accustomed to growing their own food with a small surplus to sell were told they would be able to eat from communal supplies regardless of what they produced. The result was that they stopped producing. It was foolish, but people are people. If all our actions were determined by the Plan the same thing might happen to us." Like most Boani speakers of English, Joseph is formal and never abbreviates anything.

"In the same way, if I worked in the West I would no doubt be employed by some enormous company, and the result of my work would be profit for its shareholders. I would not really care if those profits were large or small. Here, though, I work for my neighbours and friends. I know the people who come to the Centre by name, and the whole commune succeeds together when we meet or exceed our production quotas. A person will always work hardest for their tribe."

This doesn't constitute anything like a free market in the normal sense of the term, but isn't just in the organisation of workplaces that the central government is taking a step back. The judicial system is also being left almost entirely for communes to deal with themselves. The same meetings that decide work rotas and organise communal leisure activities are now acting as judges and juries essentially as they see fit, without legal training. In the absence of prisons, however, the most severe sentence they can impose is expulsion from the commune.

What happens to those expelled is not entirely clear - rigid social structures mean that life without a commune is extremely difficult. In a nation with very low crime rates this doesn't involve a huge number of people, but there are rumours of state run "default" communes that are said, in practice, to be little more than prison camps. Reliable information is hard to come by - there have been a small number of online testimonies by people who claim to have passed through this system but they're hard to substantiate and often sensationalist. No official information exists.

I ask Joseph if the possibility of being exiled by his neighbours, without recourse to a legal system, concerns him. Isn't there a risk of local feuds and victimisation getting out of hand? He shrugs. "In the end, it depends on whether you trust ordinary people to manage their own affairs. Here in Uan aa Boa, we do." But what of the possibility of people who haven't committed a crime being driven out of mainstream society? "I have seen the statistics for prisoners and for poverty, unemployment and addiction in your country," Joseph replies. "What did all these people do to be pushed to the margins? Often no more than being born into a poor home, or being of the wrong race, or becoming ill or losing their job at the whim of wealthy investors. Forgive me, but I do not think it is the place of the West to give us lectures."

The kogo players have vanished into the dusk as Joseph walks with me towards the station. Pungent spices scent the air as people make their way toward the communal canteen. The meal is scheduled to be followed by a discussion group on postcolonial theory and an e-sports tournament. As on other visits to this enigma of a country I'm struck by how quiet a city without traffic actually is. People seem calm and serious, but with a hint of underlying resolve absent in other nations. Not for the first time I wonder what they might be capable of if roused.

Caracasus, Frieden-und Freudenland, Mount Seymour, Atsvea, and 9 othersRuinenlust, Lord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, Forgotten Beauty, Turbeaux, Canaltia, New ladavia, Rivienland, and Santa guerrera

Canaltia wrote:As one of the "Against" voters, pretty much. I like the idea, and I would have voted "For" had it been presented better, but the current proposal just doesn't look like a finished proposal. It looks like the starter idea, and I would just like it to be fleshed out a bit more. I understand there really isn't too much to say about the topic, but it's a bit like a country having a law just saying "don't steal" or "killing is wrong". Obvious, to the point, but hard to take seriously. Considering who the author is, I don't think it's too much to ask for.

Well I, along with many of you I'm sure, just got a campaign telegram talking about how the resolution is "mocking the W.A.", and I.A. should apologize for playing this silly little game. I'm unsure as to whether the game is the W.A., or all of NS, but either way, I am changing my vote to FOR to spite a pretentious and insulting telegram author.

Frieden-und Freudenland, Mount Seymour, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, and 5 othersLord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, Turbeaux, Seagull, and Santa guerrera

Legendary card alert: Pogaria is on sale for 1.50 and the would-be buyer is someone who is offering 5.00 bucks now. They could easily be outbid, just saying :)

Atsvea, Lord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, Turbeaux, and 1 otherCanaltia

Sorry folks, been busy as hell and had very little time to do more than occasionally check NS on my phone. Normal service will be resumed shortly I hope...

The new bluestocking homeland, Sacara, Frieden-und Freudenland, Jutsa, and 9 othersMount Seymour, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, Aeterno tranquillitas, Uan aa Boa, Turbeaux, Canaltia, and Dry shoes are the best

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