The Pacific Board

Mestovakia wrote:

They're one of the most vicious factions in Fallout.

Who hasn’t really done anything as of yet...

Cermiersia wrote:

Why is everyone concerned about penal labour?

Because such a punishment should equal to the crime, a litterer should be the one to clean a park.

The Something of Calption

Cermiersia wrote:

Err... so...?

To paraphrase Fallout, The Frontier™, The Enclave is an "objectively evil faction."

Western command center

The Keeper of the Elder Academia of Mestovakia

Western command center wrote:

Civilization? What civilization? Look around the wasteland. What civilized society do you see? If bands of cannibalistic raiders and coked-up Roman cosplayers count as civilization, then humanity was already civilized back when we were still using flint tools. But that's not the case. There are no laws, no societies, no government, in the wasteland as it stands. We are not killing human civilization, because there isn't any left to begin with.

Does that mean your also uncivilized?

Commune of Australasia

The Oppressive Personal Tyrandom of Cermiersia

Western command center wrote:

Civilization? What civilization? Look around the wasteland. What civilized society do you see? If bands of cannibalistic raiders and coked-up Roman cosplayers count as civilization, then humanity was already civilized back when we were still using flint tools. But that's not the case. There are no laws, no societies, no government, in the wasteland as it stands. We are not killing human civilization, because there isn't any left to begin with.

Don't worry, we elves will finish the job. Stay where you are, we have nukes in the air.

Western command center

Haven and Sanctuary wrote:

Because such a punishment should equal to the crime, a litterer should be the one to clean a park.

He literally just said that they were murderers...

The Bandit State wrote:

To paraphrase Fallout, The Frontier™, The Enclave is an "objectively evil faction."

Yeah but as of yet nothing. Whatever they are preparing of you want to oppose it attack when he attacks, no just blatant imperialism.

"The Nobble Peace Prize is an international accolade that is ostensibly awarded to individuals that work for fraternity between nations, reduce standing armies and promote peace. To your surprise, the Skandilundian council that picks the winners has let you know that this year they intend to award it to you. You receive the news while on a military base, welcoming home divisions of battle-hardened soldiers fresh from ongoing conflicts on the Tasmanian border."

Neat.

Mestovakia wrote:

Don't worry, we elves will finish the job. Stay where you are, we have nukes in the air.

No.

Cermiersia

The Keeper of the Elder Academia of Mestovakia

Western command center wrote:

humanity was already civilized back when we were still using flint tools.

I'd say that was incredibly early civilisation.

The Bandit State and Western command center

Post self-deleted by Mestovakia.

Western command center wrote:

No! In both Eisenhower and Chicago, there are actual governmental bodies, and a social contract which is rigorously enforced by policemen and soldiers. We have an actual society. This is something unique to the Enclave.

Megaton:

The Keeper of the Elder Academia of Mestovakia

Western command center wrote:

No! In both Eisenhower and Chicago, there are actual governmental bodies, and a social contract which is rigorously enforced by policemen and soldiers. We have an actual society. This is something unique to the Enclave.

What about the NCR? They have those too, on a much larger scale. Even the Legion has that, to an extent.

Western command center

Western command center wrote:

The WCC is in Colorado so we haven't really come across Megaton just yet

For the record, whenever I made a Fallout faction, I played the Chinese.

Western command center

The Something of Calption

Western command center wrote:

We're too far away from the NCR to actually know much about them. And the Legion is utterly despised because it represents a twisted view of human civilization, one where the anarchic lawless violence of the Wasteland has been paradoxically made more lawful and orderly. One where technologically and advancement is despised, and one that remains purposefully backwards.

The Legion doesn't hate technology, that's actually a common misconception. They simply choose to not use it very much so they don't end up relying on potentially unreliable things.

Western command center

Western command center wrote:

Good thing they don't, it's really too easy to pick running spear chuckers off with machine guns from our helicopters

do you have any plans to invade mexico?

Western command center wrote:

Good thing they don't, it's really too easy to pick running spear chuckers off with machine guns from our helicopters

If you exist in a wasteland and only recently joined the Enclave, where'd you get working helicopters?

Western command center

Cermiersia wrote:

He literally just said that they were murderers...Yeah but as of yet nothing. Whatever they are preparing of you want to oppose it attack when he attacks, no just blatant imperialism.

And the post I initially quoted had him still doing it with people he didn't have evidence for, using guilty through association as an excuse.

Western command center wrote:

But too primitive compared to the civilization that once stood where we now stand. And back then, the cavemen didn't have machine guns and portable nukes. Now, the modern caveman does.

Said civilisation ended up being blown to pieces by itself. Will you repeat the same mistakes?

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The Allied States of Novoblupolia

Western command center wrote:

We're too far away from the NCR to actually know much about them. And the Legion is utterly despised because it represents a twisted view of human civilization, one where the anarchic lawless violence of the Wasteland has been paradoxically made more lawful and orderly. One where technologically and advancement is despised, and one that remains purposefully backwards.

What are your plans for the minute men?

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Western command center wrote:

Just stay away from the part of the Commonwealth that was formerly known as Montana and nothing bad will happen

Cassandra: Just to clarify, you're not commiting any crimes against humanity, are you?

Western command center wrote:

That will be up to Evanston enclave to decide, we are simply an autonomous part of the Enclave

Hopefully, you don't kill them they are good people...

Xentris

Novoblupolia wrote:

Cassandra: Just to clarify, you're not commiting any crimes against humanity, are you?

Hello Novo

Western command center wrote:

Not more than any other faction out here in the wastes that claim to stand for civilization and order

The NCR and what are you going to do to Vegas they are pretty much the same as the pre-war Vegas...

Western command center wrote:

Whatever President Truman decides, is whatever General Smith will carry out

So you would be willing to kill a group of people who just want to protect the innocent?

*Tinkers with Automatons grumpily*

Western command center wrote:

We trust in President Truman to make the right judgement. And in this sort of wasteland, noone is ever truly innocent, not even the Enclave. Every faction has blood on their hands.

But mostly the Enclave with the Poison of the Water supply and all that stuff