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Leblancroux wrote:

It is necessary to analyze the geopolitics of the time of the first crusade (1096 and 1099)
The Islamics had conquered a large part of the Iberian peninsula and the Byzantine empire was going into decline, that is, a conflict between Muslims and Christians had been going on for almost 400 years (since when the Islamic empire invaded the Iberian peninsula in 711)

It is worth mentioning that before Islamic expansion, North Africa, the Levant, and Mesopotamia were mostly Christian.

I'm not defending the crusades, but I think that analyzing the geopolitics of the time, the Pope had several reasons for sending several peasants, vagrants, knights, and self-centered barons to die in the Middle East💀

That's not what I said. What I meant by my post was that despite the cause not being to wipe out Muslims, the Catholic church allowed and even encouraged crusaders to kill Muslims without regret, and that's still a heinous action that needs to be talked about more.

Estellan wrote:That's not what I said. What I meant by my post was that despite the cause not being to wipe out Muslims, the Catholic church allowed and even encouraged crusaders to kill Muslims without regret, and that's still a heinous action that needs to be talked about more.

The crusades were so weird, in the fourth crusade they sacked Constantinople, which was the capital of the nation they meant to be helping regain land from the Turks. And in the first Crusade they even massacred other Christians!
And yes they also Wiped out the Muslims there as well, like you said.

Ah religious wars, in a way the worst kind. Everyone assumes they are doing the right or moral thing because they think god’s with them.

Iceagea wrote:Ah religious wars, in a way the worst kind. Everyone assumes they are doing the right or moral thing because they think god’s with them.

Yes, they often create sects in religions which just cause more war and makes it harder to come to an agreement.

Estellan wrote:That's not what I said. What I meant by my post was that despite the cause not being to wipe out Muslims, the Catholic church allowed and even encouraged crusaders to kill Muslims without regret, and that's still a heinous action that needs to be talked about more.

"the Catholic church allowed and even encouraged crusaders to kill Muslims without regret, and that's still a heinous action that needs to be talked about more."

I'm sorry, but I think this is a consequence of wars? This happened on both the Muslim and Christian sides.

I know I'm a little skeptical, but I think you're imposing a modern morality on an ancient event, like, OF COURSE this is wrong.
but people were very alienated and didn't know that.

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Leblancroux wrote:"the Catholic church allowed and even encouraged crusaders to kill Muslims without regret, and that's still a heinous action that needs to be talked about more."

I'm sorry, but I think this is a consequence of wars? This happened on both the Muslim and Christian sides.

I know I'm a little skeptical, but I think you're imposing a modern morality on an ancient event, like, OF COURSE this is wrong.
but people were very alienated and didn't know that.

welcome to bothsidesism 101
lesson one: no

Big solar storm coming later today - tomorrow morning, might be even visible down south of UK with clear enough and dark enough skies.

Put your internet in a lead safe.

St Scarlett wrote:I don't think Islam or Muslims are incompatible with the West.

There are elements of Islam that don't gel well with everything, but that's true of all religions. So you have to take the stance of all religions being incompatible with the West or none of them.

Turkiye.

Iceagea wrote:Ah religious wars, in a way the worst kind. Everyone assumes they are doing the right or moral thing because they think god’s with them.

I love how the ancient Greeks, instead of destroying and exterminating the Egyptian people and their religion, they just explained the existence of the two religions through Typhon and his fight against Olympus, Christianity and Islam should have followed this example, but I think the fact that Christianity and Islam are monotheistic certainly hindered.

Leblancroux wrote:I love how the ancient Greeks, instead of destroying and exterminating the Egyptian people and their religion, they just explained the existence of the two religions through Typhon and his fight against Olympus, Christianity and Islam should have followed this example, but I think the fact that Christianity and Islam are monotheistic certainly hindered.

Nah dats boring. just crusade 😁

I made a issue :)
It's about communist rebellions

Leblancroux wrote:I love how the ancient Greeks, instead of destroying and exterminating the Egyptian people and their religion, they just explained the existence of the two religions through Typhon and his fight against Olympus, Christianity and Islam should have followed this example, but I think the fact that Christianity and Islam are monotheistic certainly hindered.

As a Zoroastrian I would like to say my religion played no part in any ideas these religions currently have, nope, none at all.

About compatibility of Islam, I suggest Mustafa Kemal's thoughs about the religion. I think it unifies most of us in here, I will left in this "spoiler" box:

"Religion is an important institution. A nation without religion cannot survive. Yet it is also very important to note that religion is a link between Allah and the individual believer. The brokerage of the pious cannot be permitted. Those who use religion for their own benefit are detestable. We are against such a situation and will not allow it. Those who use religion in such a manner have fooled our people; it is against just such people that we have fought and will continue to fight. Know that whatever conforms to reason, logic, and the advantages and needs of our people conforms equally to Islam. If our religion did not conform to reason and logic, it would not be the perfect religion, the final religion." M.K.Ataturk
I especially picked Ataturk for our conversations, because after all, he was born as Muslim (even if there is still a debate about he is later agnostic, muslim or atheist etc.) he perfectly states the reality. Today, some Middleeastern countries fall under extremist de-facto Islamistic ideologies already became incompitable with the Western systems, (I really don't see in near future, in this exact state, Afghanistan's direct integration with EU; it would be that type of schizo scenario). Sadly, more are in danger to fall to this blackhole. Unironically, he envisioned that Republic of Turkey would go through same risk. Therefore, he boosted education, even he made compulsory to live the religion in national language. (Maybe for bit expense of religious freedom about how to live the religion) Still today I question about how secular is Republic of Turkey. Clearly they've made great progress in terms of these but still not enough and they are regressing for two decades, according to my observations. (In terms of secularism. Bloody theocratic Ottoman caliphate to a modern Republic, I'm trying to say.)
The important part about a thing is that, he believes after properly educating people, they will eventually left ideological, methodical and systematic religion to only left themselves with the religion is only between themselves and God. Let's be real gentlemen and gentlewomen, personal religions would be compatiable according to each person: They are compatiable or not!

Iceagea wrote:Big solar storm coming later today - tomorrow morning, might be even visible down south of UK with clear enough and dark enough skies.

Put your internet in a lead safe.

This is only a G4 geomagnetic storm so far, not a G5 (maximum). No action is required. But sunspot AR3664 worries me. There is already the potential for a repeat of the Carrington event. It won't be the end of the world, but if many transformers are damaged, it will be a big problem.

In any case, possible limited outages to the power grid and thus the Internet can already be expected today (May 11)

2025 the biggest solar storm will hit which could has a potential to wipe out our power grids

Fun fact Saturns volume is 763.59 times that of earth

The aynie isles wrote:As a Zoroastrian I would like to say my religion played no part in any ideas these religions currently have, nope, none at all.

It's the first time I've talked to a Zoroastrian, that's so cool!
What led you to this religion? your family?

Leblancroux wrote:It's the first time I've talked to a Zoroastrian, that's so cool!
What led you to this religion? your family?

My Grandad was one, although my parents aren't too deeply religious, nor am I to be honest.
I mostly follow their motive of Good thoughts, Good words and Good deeds. Something that keeps me motivated to do good in this world!

Leblancroux wrote:"the Catholic church allowed and even encouraged crusaders to kill Muslims without regret, and that's still a heinous action that needs to be talked about more."

I'm sorry, but I think this is a consequence of wars? This happened on both the Muslim and Christian sides.

I know I'm a little skeptical, but I think you're imposing a modern morality on an ancient event, like, OF COURSE this is wrong.
but people were very alienated and didn't know that.

Yes, everybody knows that both sides committed atrocities, but overall when you look at it in a historical context the Crusaders were just objectively a whole lot worse, like when Jerusalem was taken they murdered thousands while the Muslims let them live during a similar invasion. As for the modern morality thing, I think that you can be a moral person even if you happened to be born in the middle ages, like St. Francis for example. Morality doesn't just turn off when you look at things that happened a long time ago. Sure, they were alienated, but if that's all it takes to keep a person from being moral, why did so many people flee Nazi Germany and house jews in Nazi-occupied territories?

Someone needs to explain the poll to me… What’s the differences?

Seeland wrote:Someone needs to explain the poll to me… What’s the differences?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)

Estellan wrote:Yes, everybody knows that both sides committed atrocities, but overall when you look at it in a historical context the Crusaders were just objectively a whole lot worse, like when Jerusalem was taken they murdered thousands while the Muslims let them live during a similar invasion. As for the modern morality thing, I think that you can be a moral person even if you happened to be born in the middle ages, like St. Francis for example. Morality doesn't just turn off when you look at things that happened a long time ago. Sure, they were alienated, but if that's all it takes to keep a person from being moral, why did so many people flee Nazi Germany and house jews in Nazi-occupied territories?

Yes, I have to agree that Islam was considerably less radical, especially during the golden age of Islam, while Europe stunk more than the streets of California.

Yes, you are also right about the issue of morality, a person can be good and without prejudice in the middle ages, but this tends to be different. In the Middle Ages this was rarer, while in the Modern Age it tends to be more common.

my main point is that islams and christians were already at war for literally 385 years before the first crusade, so you can't expect that the soldiers (soldiers = illiterate peasants, vagrants, etc.) to be nice to them.

PS Muslims let people live, but they would have to pay high taxes just for following other religions, that is, it is good, but still not ideal.

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