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Old utopia wrote:

I think it would be better for Alistair, or a key representative to head to the Palace in Pandonus, seeing as both Bernado and Elesa are already there.
Anyways it's getting late over here in Europe, so I'm going to go.

Goodnight fellow European with a decent sleep schedule (the one thing in life that I desperately want)
Alistair heads to Pandonus.

Alright everyone, it has come to my attention that a few people here are a bit mistaken about the bill.

Balticonia wrote:

I stand strongly against the proposed merger. First of all, Rhinia demands we move to their region. This would kill our roleplay if we left our home rmb. This is hardly short of an annexation! Secondly, Rhinia would have most of the government power. I think we all enjoy the autonomy we have in Lezra. I do support closer ties with Rhinia, and I have continually argued for a better deal, but as it stands, I am decisively against the merger

Rhinia does not demand we move, we simply thought it would be a better idea than moving here (we have a greater population, been around longer and handle government stuff much better). There is another alternative we were about to bring out to the regional move too, but the biggest stumbling block here is the hardheadedness of some of your leaders who would not listen to us at times.

"this would kill our roleplay if it left our RMB" - I highly doubt that, in fact it would increase the number of nations participating. On top of that there is the option of just moving regions and keeping RP here or not much harm in just starting again with 10 extra nations participating.

We will certainly not have the most government power, in fact I am stepping down from deputy PM and Barlomia is likely to step down from PM meaning one of you will almost certainly be the first PM after the merger and likely for a long time after.

You did not argue for a better deal, you kept banging on about RP being hurt when we are also making big sacrifices to make this happen.

Old utopia wrote:

Alright so this is my statement:

There is no need for a merger between Lezra and RHINIA. RHINIA has 30 members. We have 28. And we are wayyyyyyyy more active than RHINIA. It makes no sense to have a merger. I don't think I need to say much more. It just doesn't make sense. And more importantly, the merger bill states that an elected RP council will decide the setting and date of the RP, meaning that this RP that we currently have going will most likely be overridden. For me that's... no. I don't think we should sacrifice this region, it's RP and its history just because we have 2 fewer members than RHINIA. This bill and the merger entirely wasn't even approved by Austronta as it says only The santland approved it. And more importantly, neither did Sparkhill and this is his region. He should decide whether there should be a merger or not. He can't stop us from leaving this region, but if we are going to have a professional merger with a bill and everything, the founder of Lezra should have a say. It just doesn't make sense for this merger to happen, it's not worth the sacrifices and the fact that neither Sparkhill nor Austronta approved the bill makes me question its legitimacy.

Sure you could say that about the 28 and 30 nations but wouldnt it be better to have a region with 60 odd nations? This would increase our exponential growth significantly.

In my mind anyway, this bill makes perfect sense, we horrible at keeping RP and your weak spot is definitely government, we did not pick you guys to ask for no reason.

I am not gonna lie, you are definitely more active than us, but that is only because you have a roleplay and active roleplayers, ours is just friendly conversation and banter atm.

The RP council is to be made up of 4 Lezrans and 1 Rhinian, it is listed in the bill. You decide what happens with the RP and we basically have no input. How is that going to be overridden.

Sparkill is also our founder (tetros), he is inactive and simply does not care about either region. You said so yourselves during discussion (you have his email if you need him to log on). The fact that he does not care means that I think he should not get a vote.

Austronta was in support of this bill too during negotiations. Now that I have rebutted the false claims of these two who simply want what they prefer rather than what is best for both regions moving forward.

Sorry if I came off a bit aggressive here, I don't mean to. Just that the only two who disagreed with the bill were never on during negotiations and would not listen to any compromise anyone came up with.

And as Old Utopia has kindly pointed out, once Lezran puppets are subtracted, Rhinia has 27 or less nations.

Balticonia wrote:

Ok, settings have been updated for the new regime

Wha?

I missed a lot have I? Wow.

Ivorica wrote:

I missed a lot have I? Wow.

Yup

Some Austrontans have decided to try to get their hands on Utopian technology to help Austronta rebuild. The communists failed to rebuild the country.

Free Toast wrote:

The communists barely tried to rebuild though. They only tried to extend their rule

It was kind of hard to rule a country of 15 million people with an army of only 30000 soldiers.

Austronta wrote:

What does the S tier mean?

A tier that is above A and it is usually the best and cannot be replaced thing. Such as an item, weapon, spell, car, game, movie, etc.

Balticonia wrote:

you have demanded we move to Rhinia. You rejected anything else. You only have been around a few more months, but we have thousands more pages than you do. We definitely have the better claim to being more established.

Then why don't you guys just join our rp without the merger? You'd be welcome I'm sure. With embassy posting, you could actively participate in our rp. I don't see how that's different from making us move and making everyone use embassy posting.

Uh...ok. Think what you wanna think

What sacrifices have you made???

WE. ARE. NOT. MOVING. TO. RHINIA.

And that reason is that we are your closest ally which is why I want to end these discussions before we become enemies.

Which is why we don't want to kill it

We have to follow our constitution. Don't you guys have respect for government?...

Are you saying I don't want what is best for Lezra? How can you say that when you aren't even here. The people clearly voted against this. Look at the poll for yourself. Apparently supporting public opinion is selfish now. When did that happen?

I might have too. But I am really annoyed at that post right now.

If the people are not informed on the deal, of course they will misinterpret everything you are saying is true, but that is simply not the case. Both of our parties have been discussing this issue for over a week now and the clear majority sided with the Rhinian merger because of our mission's main points:

-Aptitude for politics
-The mutual need for membership
-Mutual benefit
-No legitimate destruction of Lezra or it's RP due to it becoming Rhinia's official roleplay region if the merger passes

We also made to ensure Lezran representation in the Rhinian government post-merger along with Lezrans remaining in charge of the regional rp council. Due to all of this, we can see that it is obvious that this deal is of mutual benefit and many of your most powerful members agreed that the only opposition was disgruntlement towards a name change which seems illegitimate due to all the reasons above.

If you'd like to read the offical bill instead of hearsay, it is here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/199YPVS1Itu5zNfQ8L5NbyXl-U6Wt0WXMV64VYjxXcfw/edit?usp=sharing

Also, if you are interested in looking at the debate, you can see it here: United Negotiation Room

Free Toast wrote:

I repeatedly offered them economic aid. They refused everytime.

Just commit genocide. The most easiest solution

Free Toast wrote:

I repeatedly offered them economic aid. They refused everytime.

Seems like Hitler's socialism

Free Toast, how much longer are you going to keep your territories in Östraich?