The Pacific Board

Kathol rift wrote:

Due to RP consent rules though, he can't just say that it did happen either. He's not allowed to dictate what happens to other nations, so he can't say that they're about to get hit by a hurricane unless the other player consents to it out of character.
I'm fully aware of this, that's in fact what I just told you.

He thinks that your blaming him for the hurricane, that's where the misunderstanding is

Kathol rift

The Municipalities of Antarctica wrote:

Hako would love it. The problem is... there's pretty much never going to be an instance where 16 railguns are necessary. It only took 2 and two torpedoes to cripple your task-force, after all.

It only took that much to force a surrender from an unprepared and undertrained battle group, and only focusing on one ship. Against a prepared and trained enemy that you need to full destroy, it might be beneficial to reduce a full battleship to atoms with a single broadside volley.

Silkegard

I'm sorry, I'll be quiet now, I'm going to sleep

San jolven

Silkegard wrote:

I'm sorry, I'll be quiet now, I'm going to sleep

Goodnight.

Silkegard

Silkegard wrote:

He thinks that your blaming him for the hurricane, that's where the misunderstanding is

By the rules that were just explained to you, he is in fact responsible for the hurricane. It's not blaming. It's stating a fact.

The Stalwart Federation of The Municipalities of Antarctica

Kathol rift wrote:

It only took that much to force a surrender from an unprepared and undertrained battle group, and only focusing on one ship. Against a prepared and trained enemy that you need to full destroy, it might be beneficial to reduce a full battleship to atoms with a single broadside volley.

I suppose that's true.
Still... the other problem is whether the Fleetkeepers are even capable of taking that much strain on their electrical systems. The more railguns there are, the slower they have to charge to avoid frying most of the ship.

Kathol rift

Silkegard

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Wubdich wrote:

By the rules that were just explained to you, he is in fact responsible for the hurricane. It's not blaming. It's stating a fact.

And I just explained to you, I get what he was trying to say, he was just misunderstood thats all, if i can see that why cant anyone else see that, I'm confused :/

Silkegard wrote:

And I just explained to you, I get what he was trying to say, he was just misunderstood thats all, if I can see that why cant anyone else see that, I'm confused :/

Yes. We understood that part. Yet, he is the one that made the hurricane 'exist' in the first place, even after the rules were explained to him.

Kathol rift

The Municipalities of Antarctica and True Europa State

The Municipalities of Antarctica wrote:

I suppose that's true.
Still... the other problem is whether the Fleetkeepers are even capable of taking that much strain on their electrical systems. The more railguns there are, the slower they have to charge to avoid frying most of the ship.

You're right, might take a brand new ship built around such a design. A new class, even. Not a Fleetkeeper, but perhaps a Fleetkiller. Designed for the sole purpose of powering and firing sixteen railguns across four turrets with devastating effect.

The Klementonian Republic of True Europa State

The Stalwart Federation of The Municipalities of Antarctica

Kathol rift wrote:

You're right, might take a brand new ship built around such a design. A new class, even. Not a Fleetkeeper, but perhaps a Fleetkiller. Designed for the sole purpose of powering and firing sixteen railguns across four turrets with devastating effect.

Fleetkeeper but on steroids

Kathol rift

Kathol rift wrote:

You're right, might take a brand new ship built around such a design. A new class, even. Not a Fleetkeeper, but perhaps a Fleetkiller. Designed for the sole purpose of powering and firing sixteen railguns across four turrets with devastating effect.

The Seakeeper concept is sort of that, but a more practical design will likely be necessary.
I might delete the Seakeeper concept from my naval file anyways, it's a little too out of place.
The other problem is how expensive the Fleetkeepers were just to build on their own... a new class this early would be highly unpopular with the public and highly costly to a budget that doesn't have the space for more massive battleships.

Kathol rift and True Europa State

Silkegard

The Stalwart Federation of The Municipalities of Antarctica

Wubdich wrote:

Yes. We understood that part. Yet, he is the one that made the hurricane 'exist' in the first place, even after the rules were explained to him.

Your not getting, when you say that, I can see from his point of view, that your blaming him for intentionally creating the hurricane, when he didnt. Yes maybe out of a misunderstood motive, but still his heart was in the right place. You gotta understand not everyone is at your level of roleplay, not even me, I'm rubbish.

You got to have more patience with the new guys, because they are not you, and their thought processes are different. To be honest I beleive it's pretty cold of all of you to just to throw the rules in his face, and expect him to u understand off the bat, what your thinking is. I saw no one trying to understand him, or his thought processes, going through with him, how he could improve you know, guidance or constructive criticism.

Silkegard wrote:

Your not getting, when you say that, I can see from his point of view, that your blaming him for intentionally creating the hurricane, when he didnt. Yes maybe out of a misunderstood motive, but still his heart was in the right place. You gotta understand not everyone is at your level of roleplay, not even me, I'm rubbish.

You got to have more patience with the new guys, because they are not you, and their thought processes are different. To be honest I beleive it's pretty cold of all of you to just to throw the rules in his face, and expect him to u understand off the bat, what your thinking is. I saw no one trying to understand him, or his thought processes, going through with him, how he could improve you know, guidance or constructive criticism.

I feel I should point out, this hasn't been the first time he's breached the rules.
We have patience, just not for repeat offenders.

Kathol rift

Silkegard wrote:

Your not getting, when you say that, I can see from his point of view, that your blaming him for intentionally creating the hurricane, when he didnt. Yes maybe out of a misunderstood motive, but still his heart was in the right place. You gotta understand not everyone is at your level of roleplay, not even me, I'm rubbish.

You got to have more patience with the new guys, because they are not you, and their thought processes are different. To be honest I beleive it's pretty cold of all of you to just to throw the rules in his face, and expect him to u understand off the bat, what your thinking is. I saw no one trying to understand him, or his thought processes, going through with him, how he could improve you know, guidance or constructive criticism.

He created the hurricane as an out of character action, and attempted to push it onto another nation without the consent of that player. He was informed of the fact that this was against the rules. By informing him, we were trying to help him by teaching those rules to him. I get that you're trying to be helpful, but we did exactly what we should do in that situation.

Silkegard

Kathol rift wrote:

He created the hurricane as an out of character action, and attempted to push it onto another nation without the consent of that player. He was informed of the fact that this was against the rules. By informing him, we were trying to help him by teaching those rules to him. I get that you're trying to be helpful, but we did exactly what we should do in that situation.

The Municipalities of Antarctica wrote:

I feel I should point out, this hasn't been the first time he's breached the rules.
We have patience, just not for repeat offenders.

But could you see from his point of view or ask him, why he did it?

Silkegard wrote:

Your not getting, when you say that, I can see from his point of view, that your blaming him for intentionally creating the hurricane, when he didnt. Yes maybe out of a misunderstood motive, but still his heart was in the right place. You gotta understand not everyone is at your level of roleplay, not even me, I'm rubbish.

You got to have more patience with the new guys, because they are not you, and their thought processes are different. To be honest I beleive it's pretty cold of all of you to just to throw the rules in his face, and expect him to u understand off the bat, what your thinking is. I saw no one trying to understand him, or his thought processes, going through with him, how he could improve you know, guidance or constructive criticism.

And I know what you're doing. For which, I can tell you, this isn't even cold of me. You haven't seen that yet.

We didn't want to press into his face 'haha, you're bad'. We put emphasis on the rules, which he openly protested. No, he did create the hurricane, and then tried to force an RP on someone else. When pointed out that it breaches the rules, he protested, instead of 'My mistake, I'll change it'. We are only open and patient with those that have that line of thought. Everything else gets rough.

So, would you kindly stop putting this guilt-trip on?

Kathol rift

Silkegard wrote:

But could you see from his point of view or ask him, why he did it?

It's generally not our policy to ask why someone broke the rules, we instead tell them what they did wrong and ask them to not do it again. There generally isn't a good reason to have broken the rules, so we usually don't ask for a bad reason.

The Municipalities of Antarctica and Silkegard

Kathol rift wrote:

It's generally not our policy to ask why someone broke the rules, we instead tell them what they did wrong and ask them to not do it again. There generally isn't a good reason to have broken the rules, so we usually don't ask for a bad reason.

Needless to say that we do expect newbies that broke a rule or two to not know the rules. And don't even expect anyone to be perfect in their first post.

Kathol rift and The Municipalities of Antarctica

Silkegard

Wubdich wrote:

And I know what you're doing. For which, I can tell you, this isn't even cold of me. You haven't seen that yet.

We didn't want to press into his face 'haha, you're bad'. We put emphasis on the rules, which he openly protested. No, he did create the hurricane, and then tried to force an RP on someone else. When pointed out that it breaches the rules, he protested, instead of 'My mistake, I'll change it'. We are only open and patient with those that have that line of thought. Everything else gets rough.

So, would you kindly stop putting this guilt-trip on?

It's not a guilt trip, all I'm saying and I respect your opinion. That you need to be more lenient and have better communication with new players that's all. I'm not making no trouble.

Silkegard

Kathol rift wrote:

It's generally not our policy to ask why someone broke the rules, we instead tell them what they did wrong and ask them to not do it again. There generally isn't a good reason to have broken the rules, so we usually don't ask for a bad reason.

Well.why not?
If you can understand why they did it
Then you can talk them through how to improve
Is it really that hard

The Stalwart Federation of The Municipalities of Antarctica

Silkegard wrote:

It's not a guilt trip, all I'm saying and I respect your opinion. That you need to be more lenient and have better communication with new players that's all. I'm not making no trouble.

No, you're playing the blame game. That is the fact here. You've repeated multiple times that we are in a some ways antagonistic towards newbies here, as in the example of this hurricane enthusiast. If you respected our opinions and mindsets, I wouldn't have called you out now, eh?

(I think it's time for me to go to bed now. So I don't get involved in an argument.)

Kathol rift